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"Older" guy looking for advice on unique situation

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I'm considering steroids, done some research, but not finding a lot that meets my situation.

A little about me: age 35, working out for over 20 years, played fb until I was 27, 6-4, 290lbs, about 20 percent bf, currently bench about 375, front squat 315, clean 305

Ive lost about 30 percent strength over the last 6 years, and my joints feel horrible.

Goals - help leaning up, help joint pain, keep strength AND metabolic conditioning as I do a lot of crossfit.
 
A good ol' test cycle with a low to moderate dose of Deca would do wonders for your goals I believe. It is usually not advised for someone to use Deca in their first cycle.. but then again you are far from a beginner when it comes to weight training and you obviously have a good base to work with. Before starting the cycle though, I would try to get your body fat % down just a tad... somewhere between 15-16%. A good month of proper dieting and working out should get you to where you need to be.

For your cycle, I would use Test Enanthate, Deca Durabolin, and GW-501516 (would work wonders for crossfit). For support you will need an AI (Armidex or Aromasin), and cabergoline to combat prolactin due to the Deca. Then of course a good PCT to help yourself recover. I would plan your Cycle like this.

1-14 Test E 500 mg/week
1-12 Deca 200 mg/week
1-14 GW-501516 10mg/day

1-14 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-14 Caber .5 mg E3D
 
I think you really need to loose some weight and come to the realization that lifting heavy is no longer good for your joints.
 
NegroPops said:
A good ol' test cycle with a low to moderate dose of Deca would do wonders for your goals I believe. It is usually not advised for someone to use Deca in their first cycle.. but then again you are far from a beginner when it comes to weight training and you obviously have a good base to work with. Before starting the cycle though, I would try to get your body fat % down just a tad... somewhere between 15-16%. A good month of proper dieting and working out should get you to where you need to be.

For your cycle, I would use Test Enanthate, Deca Durabolin, and GW-501516 (would work wonders for crossfit). For support you will need an AI (Armidex or Aromasin), and cabergoline to combat prolactin due to the Deca. Then of course a good PCT to help yourself recover. I would plan your Cycle like this.

1-14 Test E 500 mg/week
1-12 Deca 200 mg/week
1-14 GW-501516 10mg/day

1-14 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-14 Caber .5 mg E3D
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Terrible advice. A Deca cycle for a guy who is at 20% bf?
14 weeks of gw which may or may not cause cancer with long term use?

Op needs to clean up his diet and mix up hiit cardio with his weights for a while to get his bf down.
 
I actually recommended to get the body fat lower first.. and then using a low dose of Deca to help with the joints. Not bad advice at all there brah. And the GW would be a great benefit for someone doing cross fit training. I see no harm in running it for 12-14 weeks at a moderate dose.. that is not going to give him cancer.
 
NegroPops said:
I actually recommended to get the body fat lower first.. and then using a low dose of Deca to help with the joints. Not bad advice at all there brah. And the GW would be a great benefit for someone doing cross fit training. I see no harm in running it for 12-14 weeks at a moderate dose.. that is not going to give him cancer.
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Deca is not good for the joints, deca masks the pain and you end up continuing to damage them. So yes that is bad advice.
What the OP should do for cologene growth is either or a combination of the following: EQ, Primo, Mast and Anavar.
Also test should be run at a very low level just to because you will be shut down. Test at greater than 200mg per week actaully inhibits cologene growth.
So first loose weight and stop lifting heavy those two things will ultimately keep you from working out.
Clean up your diet, learn to eat like a 14% BF person eats.
Lastly add some aas to grow tissue to reduce pain.
 
goin on 4T said:
Deca is not good for the joints, deca masks the pain and you end up continuing to damage them. So yes that is bad advice.
What the OP should do for cologene growth is either or a combination of the following: EQ, Primo, Mast and Anavar.
Also test should be run at a very low level just to because you will be shut down. Test at greater than 200mg per week actaully inhibits cologene growth.
So first loose weight and stop lifting heavy those two things will ultimately keep you from working out.
Clean up your diet, learn to eat like a 14% BF person eats.
Lastly add some aas to grow tissue to reduce pain.
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And add in MK677 - gh peptide that can be taken orally and helps joints.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using EliteFitness
 
Xandoz said:
A simple cycle of Testosterone and growth hormone ought to help you.
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Wow you shouldn't post about thing you think "ought" to help bro.
That is not good advice, please read my post above to find out why.
 
I love how people who don't know shit recommend all this crap to other people who don't know shit.

OP, you need to lose some weight, and get your bf down before even considering gear. Like 4T stated, you need to realize that lifting heavy is not good for your joints at your age and health.

Just clean up the diet, grab some glucosamine for the joints and do conditioning exercises. No need to try and break records in the gym anymore.
 
I'm more pissed off that he said 35 is "older" I'm 30... Fuck lol

Simple as this, get bf% down through diet n cardio then lets revisit this option. Get to 15% or lower. Preferably 12%. Seems to be the sweet spot for most.
 
Cross fit multiple days a week is great for loosing BF. It is HIIT conditioning. It is your diet that is the problem with 20% BF.

Do you subscribe to paleo? Get on it, watch what you eat, and TAKE FISH OIL...
 
Thanks for the posts. Yes, I totally plan to drop about 20lbs before I do anything. I'm actually interested in getting into Olympic lifting again, strong man and highland games. I used to do these things, but my body just could not hold up.

So, while I understand losing some fat is important, bodybuilding is not the goal here. As I stand at 287, I have visible upper abs and can avg a 7 min mile.
 
And yes. I take about 4 grams of omega 3's, do about 80/20 Paleo and do cf with a strength bias. I'm actually quite qualified and knowledgable about working out.
 
If you are going that heavy you should follow the advice I have you. Running high test is actually counter productive for your joints. I am 45 and have torn my tendons several times and now I know how to keep the injuries away.
Give it a try, all you have to loose is the pain and the injuries.
If you want I can find the study that shows why high test is bad for cologene and why anavar, primo, eq etc are amazing for it.
 
I work out with younger guys, 28-30 year olds and sometimes I get wrapped up in weight too. I can incline 315 x a few squat 405 x a few etc. I just don't straight bar bench. So for what it's worth give it a try.
 
Seriously?
Fuck bro everyone knows what I mean.
Yeah my spelling sucks.
It's just who I am.
 
goin on 4T said:
If you are going that heavy you should follow the advice I have you. Running high test is actually counter productive for your joints. I am 45 and have torn my tendons several times and now I know how to keep the injuries away.
Give it a try, all you have to loose is the pain and the injuries.
If you want I can find the study that shows why high test is bad for cologene and why anavar, primo, eq etc are amazing for it.
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Eq is amazing at helping out the joints and like 4T says any supra physical amount of endogenous test Is going
To actually make problems worse. Tb500 works awesome,
Ostarine works awesome
Stack a low dose eq(300 Mgs a week) with like 30 Mgs anavar a day and 150 Mgs/ test per week. Up fish oils to 10g / day for the duration, add
Coconut oil at a tablespoon a day,
Sissus or however it's spelt cissex..?? Is a great over the counter supp for joints too
 
I like your advice Going on 4T. I'm going on 5T and I am having similar problems as this poster. I am overweight and joints hurt. Havent done a cycle in a few years but last time I did it was 500 Test E/wk and 300 EQ/wk. Didnt lift too heavy but intensity picked way up. Lost a lot of body fat and flattened out my belly. Test always works great as a leaner for me. never fails and it make me feels great as well. I'm looking aroung now for a legit source for the 2 mentioned items above but just getting back in the game and it gonna take time to find a trustworthy source.
 
I lift regularly at >90% irm and have 10 years on the op and currently dont have any aches and pains BUT I did. Over the years of training I had nagging injuries that wouldnt go away, plateaus in traning and whatnot and every time the solution was in my diet.

I bet anyone suffering major setbacks is likely not getting the following from their food...

zinc (11mg)
magnesium (400mg)
potassium (4700mg)
vit D (>5000)

I have personally found potassium to heavily affect performance. recovery and pain. Over the years people always commented "Oh dont worry about potassium, you get plenty in your diet" and I say bullshit. I challenge everyone to log their diet, even for a day, and check it against the usda database Foods List for macronutrients and I bet most people are falling short on at least potassium.


Stop looking for a magic pill, spend your time and money on a diet that gives you the nutrients you need.
 
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