Old school BB cycles

[Anotech]

I've read a few articles that talk about pro BBs in the late 80's and early 90's cycling compounds for 3 weeks at a time for 12 weeks.

They talk about using:
2 anabolics & 1 androgenic -3weeks
2 androgens & 1 anabolic -3 weeks

Anybody know if this actually works? For somebody like me (PhD in broSCIENCE) it's seems like this keeps the receptors fresh and pulling the drugs in.

What compounds are andro and anabolic?

 

[RADAR]

I've read a few articles that talk about pro BBs in the late 80's and early 90's cycling compounds for 3 weeks at a time for 12 weeks.

They talk about using:
2 anabolics & 1 androgenic -3weeks
2 androgens & 1 anabolic -3 weeks

Anybody know if this actually works? For somebody like me (PhD in broSCIENCE) it's seems like this keeps the receptors fresh and pulling the drugs in.

What compounds are andro and anabolic?

I found this ,just to give you an idea


Compound:------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone--------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)-------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)--37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)---------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)-------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)--------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)----100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)--------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)--37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)-----------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)----------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)---------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)-----50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)-------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)-------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone---------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)---------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone )------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)-----25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)--25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)-------650------2,300
Mestanolone--------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenedi ol)-------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone---------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone----------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)-------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-----------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)-----------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)-500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)----------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)-44-57------88
Prostanozol------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)--------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)-----------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)-37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)--20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)-------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250--------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-100------100
Test 400---------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------30------320

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've read a few articles that talk about pro BBs in the late 80's and early 90's cycling compounds for 3 weeks at a time for 12 weeks.

They talk about using:
2 anabolics & 1 androgenic -3weeks
2 androgens & 1 anabolic -3 weeks

Anybody know if this actually works? For somebody like me (PhD in broSCIENCE) it's seems like this keeps the receptors fresh and pulling the drugs in.

What compounds are andro and anabolic?

There were lots of theories when information was limited. I had a few interesting ones myself. But the more we learn the more we realize that a simple approach is best. The one area where i feel the old timers got it right was in cycle length. I'm not sure where you got your info but 6 week cycles were standard until the mid 1990's.

 

[Cali72]

There were lots of theories when information was limited. I had a few interesting ones myself. But the more we learn the more we realize that a simple approach is best. The one area where i feel the old timers got it right was in cycle length. I'm not sure where you got your info but 6 week cycles were standard until the mid 1990's.

6 week cycles appeal to me but what if u want to run primo?

 

[goin on 4T]

I found this ,just to give you an idea

Can you please edit an align those colums?
It makes it dificult to understand.


What does androgenic mean?

 

[Anotech]

6 week cycles appeal to me but what if u want to run primo?

I like the idea simply to keep the receptors pulling the hormones.. After 6-8 weeks most of my gains slow down anyways, and I retain them for 5-6 weeks after.

 

[Anotech]

Can you please edit an align those colums?
It makes it dificult to understand.


What does androgenic mean?

Binding more tightly to the receptors.

 

[Nelson Montana]

6 week cycles appeal to me but what if u want to run primo?

Another myth -- that Primo takes longer to "kick in."

 

[goin on 4T]

Binding more tightly to the receptors.

First off that is that isn't correct. You should wiki it.
Second, I was just joking with Radar.

 

[Cali72]

Another myth -- that Primo takes longer to "kick in."

I agree last time I ran primo it was for 8 weeks and was totally satisfied.

 

[RADAR]

First off that is that isn't correct. You should wiki it.
Second, I was just joking with Radar.

You twirp lol.

 

[Anotech]

First off that is that isn't correct. You should wiki it.
Second, I was just joking with Radar.

Androgen
Androgen, also called androgenic hormone or testoid, is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of male characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics. Androgens were first discovered in 1936. Androgens are also the original anabolic steroids and the precursor of all estrogens, which are stress hormones. The primary and most well-known androgen is testosterone, other less important androgens are dihydrotestosterone and androstenedione.


Oh

 

[stevesmi]

be careful trusting those anabolic/androgen charts. they can be misleading. the bottom line is with certain compounds its good to stack because you keep things clicking along and certain compounds need more of a kick.

also with primo yes it can be run for a short time.. but since it has a long ester, it does take time to build up to peak levels in the body.. its a slow release compound.. so i would run it 14 weeks minimum with something to kickstart. but yeah you can run it 6 weeks and still get results, but thats like eating soup and leaving the liquid leftover. you didn't get to enjoy the best part

 

[Nelson Montana]

also with primo yes it can be run for a short time.. but since it has a long ester, it does take time to build up to peak levels in the body.. its a slow release compound.. so i would run it 14 weeks minimum with something to kickstart. but yeah you can run it 6 weeks and still get results, but thats like eating soup and leaving the liquid leftover. you didn't get to enjoy the best part

Sorry Steve . That is 100% INCORRECT.

Primo is active for 2 weeks -- the same as testosterone. It does not take months to "build up." Since it's anabolic in nature, the growth is pure muscle so it doesn't appear to give a quick result since there's no water retention. But the rate of tissue growth, the time it's in the body, and the speed in which it acts, is EXACTLY the same as testosterone.

Pass it along.

 

[EZ_E]

Sorry Steve . That is 100% INCORRECT.

Primo is active for 2 weeks -- the same as testosterone. It does not take months to "build up." Since it's anabolic in nature, the growth is pure muscle so it doesn't appear to give a quick result since there's no water retention. But the rate of tissue growth, the time it's in the body, and the speed in which it acts, is EXACTLY the same as testosterone.

Pass it along.

Interesting....what's the minimum length of time Primo should be run? And Minimum doose?

 

[goin on 4T]

Androgen
Androgen, also called androgenic hormone or testoid, is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of male characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics. Androgens were first discovered in 1936. Androgens are also the original anabolic steroids and the precursor of all estrogens, which are stress hormones. The primary and most well-known androgen is testosterone, other less important androgens are dihydrotestosterone and androstenedione.


Oh

Yeah you missed the main part of that whole paragraph. LOL
Glad you finally got it though.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Interesting....what's the minimum length of time Primo should be run? And Minimum doose?

Again...no different than any other injectable.

 

[stevesmi]

Sorry Steve . That is 100% INCORRECT.

Primo is active for 2 weeks -- the same as testosterone. It does not take months to "build up." Since it's anabolic in nature, the growth is pure muscle so it doesn't appear to give a quick result since there's no water retention. But the rate of tissue growth, the time it's in the body, and the speed in which it acts, is EXACTLY the same as testosterone.

Pass it along.

this is where we disagree. I would say it takes weeks to build up, not months.

yes its no different than testosterone that is long acting. which also takes weeks. which is why most test should be run 10 weeks or more as well.

and there is no way that primo or long estered test is active for only 2 weeks. once its built up in the body it takes a good 5 weeks till its out of the system. thats the beauty part of long estered injectables, they stick around a long time. according to the pharmacies yes on paper its active 2 weeks, but i assure you that they stick around longer than that. there are plenty of threads on here of guys who have taken bloods a full 5 weeks after and still have remnants in their system, me included.

how is it even possible that with a 2 week half life something would be out of the system in 2 weeks? we have had this discussion before and you never answered that.. if you stopped injecting steroids and they poof like magic were totally out of your system in 2 weeks then PCT would be a breeze.. i'm not saying its still in the system at large amounts, but its still in the system enough to give you a boost and also continue to suppress your HPTA.

but anyway we will agree to disagree on this.. i remember you argueing with needto about it as well in a sustanon discussion and if he couldn't get you to change your mind i doubt i will lol

 

[RADAR]

Let me correct you and nelson "it works" thats all there is to it!

 

[Nelson Montana]

this is where we disagree. I would say it takes weeks to build up, not months.

yes its no different than testosterone that is long acting. which also takes weeks. which is why most test should be run 10 weeks or more as well.

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Not necessarily. Muscle growth doesn't start at week 7 or 8 or 9. It starts right from the start. It SLOWS DOWN after 6 weeks.
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and there is no way that primo or long estered test is active for only 2 weeks. once its built up in the body it takes a good 5 weeks till its out of the system.

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Being detectable and being active is two different things. You will get next to no benefit from any steroid injected 5 weeks ago.



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thats the beauty part of long estered injectables, they stick around a long time. according to the pharmacies yes on paper its active 2 weeks, but i assure you that they stick around longer than that. there are plenty of threads on here of guys who have taken bloods a full 5 weeks after and still have remnants in their system, me included.

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That's really only 3 weeks after the last of it is gone. It takes time for levels to drop but the anabolic action is next to nothing and production of T is near zero.


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how is it even possible that with a 2 week half life something would be out of the system in 2 weeks? we have had this discussion before and you never answered that..

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Actually I have answered it many time.s I just think it isn't always comprehended. An aspirin has a half life too, but when it stops working it stops working. Synthroid has a half life of about a week but if you don't take it daily you're going to feel the effects of low thyroid function. In other words, it's irrelevant if there's some half life remaining. But let's go with your reasoning. Even if the half life is active -- IT DOESN't CONTINUE BUILDING UP OVER TIME. It fades. So the thinking that the drug "builds up" is not only erroneous, it's illogical. Not trying to be a dick here beacause I know you;re a knowledgable dude. But this is science and it's irrefutable.



if you stopped injecting steroids and they poof like magic were totally out of your system in 2 weeks then PCT would be a breeze.. i'm not saying its still in the system at large amounts, but its still in the system enough to give you a boost and also continue to suppress your HPTA.

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THAT makes no sense. I don;t even know how to address it.




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but anyway we will agree to disagree on this..\

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Not a disagreement bro. It is what it is.
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i remember you argueing with needto about it as well in a sustanon discussion and if he couldn't get you to change your mind i doubt i will lol[

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I only change my mind when I'm wrong. If I'm correct, I'm not going to deny that just to placate someone's misconception. Again, no disrespect,. This isn;t a pissing match. And I'm not trying to force any opinions on anyone. These are facts. It's something that people should know. Or they can keep denying it. That's a personal call. But it doesn't change the facts.






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