Ok now Im confused!!!!!Please Help

[upanddown]

Im in my third week of 500 mg sustanon/week and I've been taking proviron daily because I read it was good to minimize side effects. I've been reading alot and in some places it says not to use proviron because it will minimize any gains. In another place it says to use it in case I see any side effects like gyno. What am I supposed to do?
Another question when taking 500 mg per week, is it supposed to be the 500 mg in one day or should I split it to twice a week?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

[evander1972]

Proviron suppresses estrogen production like adex or ldex. For gyno your better of with nolvadex. Proviron will hinder your gains slightly but not by a huge amount. On sust 500mg per week you might not need anti es. Rather than take 500mg once per week, Take 250mg on the sat and 250mg on the wed. Or you could even take it e5d. Sust has a half life of 5 days if I remember rightly.

 

[AtLarge]

Proviron suppresses estrogen production like adex or ldex. For gyno your better of with nolvadex. Proviron will hinder your gains slightly but not by a huge amount. On sust 500mg per week you might not need anti es. Rather than take 500mg once per week, Take 250mg on the sat and 250mg on the wed. Or you could even take it e5d. Sust has a half life of 5 days if I remember rightly.

Take in this advice-he knows the cardinal basics and im sure a lot more.

 

[cdownie927]

you probably dont need it at that dose of aas, however if you were worried about water or gyno i would, but see how you react with out it first

 

[gilly6993]

If you start feeling gyno you'll need to get yourself some nolva ASAP......you should always haver it on hand if running test IMO....also, I personally would not use proviron as an anti-e....it is weak at best.....I would use on of the compounds that inhibit the formation.....I could care less if it means my gains might not be as good.....there's nothing worse than gyno and water retention.....

 

[jerkbox]

Sust is a blend of prop, phenlyprop, isocaproate, and sometimes decanoate....a combination of short and long lasting esters...so, some of it will be released very quickly, and the longer lasting esters will continue to be released for 2 to 3 weeks.....that said I believe most would still split up the injections to maintain more consistent blood levels.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Take 250mg on the sat and 250mg on the wed. Or you could even take it e5d. Sust has a half life of 5 days if I remember rightly.

The half life of each ester is slightly different in sust250. Of course, there are 4 different esters. I would say the longer esters in sust stay active about 3 weeks, and I have seen a few debates on the exact half-life on sust 250...debatable.

Anyway, I agree with everything else he said, just wanted you to know the half life is not 5 days for all four esters in sust250.

 

[upanddown]

thanks alot guys, that really answered my question. Off with proviron and on my way to get some nolvadex

 

[Silent Method]

OK, this is my two cents...

Proviron works as an anti-e by blocking the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. Thus, as an anti-e/anti-gyno, it is preventative in action. In addition, proviron will bind to SHBG more strongly than testosterone, leaving more free testosteron to do what you want it to do - help you grow muscle. I have never heard any reason why proviron would hinder gains.

Nolva on the other hand blocks estrogen from binding in breast tissue. Unless your estrogen levels are already such that gyno symptoms become a problem (something that proviron could act to prevent in the first place), there is no reason to use nolvadex. As far as hindering gains, there is some strong theory that nolva does just that.

In fact, nolvas effect of lowering IGF is well documented - and even thought to be one mechanism of action through which it inhibits cancer growth.


I'd stick with the proviron. At the testosterone dose you're using, it may be likely that you don't need any anti-e for gyno protection anyway. Proviron should get the job done as far as anti-gyno insurance. In addition, I believe it will likely even potentiate your gains (to what degree I couldn't say).

Nolva on the other hand in uncalled for unless your estrogen is already so high that gyno symptoms are becoming preasent. In addition, it will lower your IGF, likely inhibiting optimal gains (to what degree I couldn't say).

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Good post SM, I was going to comment on the fact that proviron could actually improve your gains. I think alot of guys feel it doesn't because it slightly lowers estragen levels, thus they do not gain the water weight they would normally gain, and equate this with reduced gains.

I recommend injecting sust eod. Try something like .6 cc's every other day. That should yield roughly 500 mg every week, but will keep your blood serum test levels a bit more stable.