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Obama Lays-Out $1.5T in New Taxes

that's why a flat tax is the only real way to spread around the taxation needs of the country..

Id get behind that as long as it would be based on income, not wages.
 
Yeah i have family in and around Newcastle. And that's where i hear alot of stuff from. Hands are gettin thrown over manufacturing jobs. And the whole moving around thing, i understand and agree to a point...but you also have to remember that stable cohesive family units are not born from the pack up and move every 3 years lifestyle. So those that are proponents of that will also have to understand the changes that will happen socially in this country when we move to the migratory work system...which i concur is coming. Meh, maybe people not settling down and having 10 children is a good thing. I personally was not planning on every having children so it's not big deal to me but it will be to others for sure.

northcentral pa...powdered metal manufacturing and secondary manufacturer's abound...and they're all busier than hell, but i have business contacts around the country that are telling me the same story...are some of the metropolitan areas suffering? probably. so, maybe it's time for a move?? that's what people used to do when they needed to find work...they moved or worked out of town and had no life...sometimes for extended periods of time...no one ever guaranteed that you would be able to have leisure time or that you would get a raise every year or that you would even make the same amount of money every year or that you wouldn't have to go backwards or that you wouldn't have to learn how to live with less and still be happy or that you wouldn't have to reassess your definition of "success".

you know what will happen if people in general end up making less money? shit will end up costing less...look at the prices of real estate around the country...do you think that shit is going to come back anytime soon?? haha, not a chance! nope, things have changed...in many cases, probably forever...wrap your arms around it...hug it...get comfortable with it...change is upon us...lead, follow, or get out of the way.
 
that's why a flat tax is the only real way to spread around the taxation needs of the country..

goddammit yes....fuck this whole tax business is annoying as sin. I have this suspicion that the complexity of the tax code is a product of the IRS coming up with a new ngr tax every year to keep up with the people trying to exploit loopholes. Just shut the loopholes and revise everyones taxes to a base rate and be done with these complications instead of layering tax code ontop of tax code every fucking year. If we shut down loopholes and hold people to the fire if they don't pay their fair rate seems pretty fucking reasonable to me. I mean how did GE get away with whining about taxes for so long when they were dodgin em the whole time? I agree corp tax is too damn high in this country but fuck companies will whine about 10%.

Or, jsut abolish all income tax and have the govt simply make it's money off of sales tax, that way all they have power to do is regulate and can't raise an army or give billions to the jews. That works for me too.
 
lol

Nobody is saying the wealthy dont pay more.

Hence the use of the term "effective" in my argument.



Loopholes can and do benefit taxpayers at every level (hence the meme of 50% of the country paying no federal income taxes). Nobody is arguing that. What's being argued (at least on my end) is the effective rate the top 1% are paying.

Hence the support for the Bowles-Simpson tax plan - or any tax plan that lowers rates, simplifies the code, and eliminates deductions and loopholes.

Douche.


lol...i don't even know what that article was about. Someone just asked me to post it up.

lollololol
 
that's why a flat tax is the only real way to spread around the taxation needs of the country..

Flat tax will be a tax increase for 90-95% of the people.

As was pointed out last month, on the only credible news source on TV (The Daily Show :)), if you confiscated 100% of the wages of the lower 45% of the adult population, and also confiscated 100% of their assets, that still wouldn't raise as much money as just undoing the Bush tax cut on the top tax bracket.

Spreading the tax burden around with a "flat tax" is just a feel-good proposal for Conservatives, it won't tap into some huge new reservoir of tax revenue. It won't solve any problems, it just appeals to one particular view of supposed "fairness".

I say it's more "fair" to tax the people who can afford it.
 
Spreading the tax burden around with a "flat tax" is just a feel-good proposal for Conservatives, it won't tap into some huge new reservoir of tax revenue. It won't solve any problems, it just appeals to one particular view of supposed "fairness".

I say it's more "fair" to tax the people who can afford it.

I'm not a conservative but a flat tax still makes sense to me....obviously for people making something like 10-15k you would work something out. And a flat tax was never about tapping into anything, it's about setting a figure and adhering to it....and if the govt wants to do stuff and doesn't have the money for it, then tough. If it's "really" important they can come to the american people and ask us if we want to fund something.....like a war for instance. We would have been out of Iraq years ago if the american tax payer was able to withdraw support for that bullshit. I'm right sick and tired of american politicians starting shit in and/or with other countries where we don't belong. If you were to ask the average american tax payer we would never have supported this fucking idea of the U.S being the worlds policemen. This was tax dollars basically usurped by private interest groups over the decades.
 
The country can still issue debt, so theoretically a flat tax wouldnt prevent any ill advised wars.
 
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