Obama/Biden 2012!

[WoodyO]

Northern Mexico, same as AZ, New Mexico and So Cal.

 

[-SD-]

No, I can't agree, sorry. I'm older than you and I've watched the science/math curriculum change from the time I went to school to when my kids went. In about 20 years science and math have become way more demanding, earlier. Logically you'd think if THAT was all that was needed, America's scores would have been going up. Meanwhile it's the art, music, phys. ed. departments that are losing funding and compared to other countries America lags. It can't be a coincidence.

Not to mention the fact that if you cut arts and music, there's a huge percentage of children whose only exposure to art will be graffiti and the only music they'll ever hear is rap. Is THAT a healthy direction for the future? Kids who can't appreciate a Van Gogh or a symphony by Mozart?

Finally, not all brains work the same. A child who has no gift for math may be an artistic or musical genius, but if all they find is failure because they can't "get" math how will they ever find success if nothing else is offered (particularly if they come from a poor family that can't afford to send them for private music lessons or provide them with art supplies?)

This makes no sense since all we ever hear is how american public education system has gotten soft over the last few decades i.e. kids coming out of high school with 5th or 6th grade reading levels, pitiful math and science scores, etc.
In china and india they dont seem to have a problem demanding more of their kids earlier, which is exactly what they are doing and getting good results while besting americans in math/sci.
Sounds like american parents have been failing their kids over the last 20 years if thats the case.
The kids who are into graffiti and rap were never going to appreciate fine arts. That sort of thing is cultural and rarely overcome but i guess "it it changes once kids life" etc etc
Once again, you keep saying Im eliminating arts altogether when Im saying the funding for math/sci should be the focus.

 

[musclemom]

Once again, you keep saying Im eliminating arts altogether when Im saying the funding for math/sci should be the focus.

It works very simply, the funding to schools is finite. The choice is to either get MORE funding from somewhere, or take funding from other areas. That's what's happening where I live. Funding is being cut to vo-tech and arts programs because there just isn't enough to go around. I already pay disgustingly high taxes (my property measures 75' x 135' and my yearly RE taxes are over $5,500, no lie -- and NO the teachers are NOT overpaid, Senators are overpaid, not teachers) so what do we do, raise property taxes even further, cut funding to other programs or ... wait for it ... hope the federal government will provide some additional resources since we spend a FRACTION OF A FRACTION of tax revenue on education compared to the DOD budget?!? What's more important, protecting this country now, or insuring it's success in the future? Apparently there is only enough money to fund one or the other.

 

[mistaballoonhands]

Fuck art!

 

[bigbassturd]

This^

 

[musclemom]

Fuck art!

Please tell me you're joking ... some of the idiots on this board have no concept of sarcasm.

If you're not joking I hope your child is an artistic or musical genius with dyscalculia (which I have). Have fun with that ... and enjoy their absolute, total LACK of success in school

 

[mistaballoonhands]

Lol @ your fit of projection there sweetheart!

 

[bigbassturd]

Chill out, hippie. You can't expect us to be serious in an Obama thread.

 

[musclemom]

Lol @ your fit of projection there sweetheart!

Oh, forgive me, of course there is no possibility that any child you fathered would be anything less than a stellar academic success. No chance any kid of yours will ever have their name embroidered on the shirt pocket of their uniform, right? RIGHT?!? No chance what so ever. Your child will be happy, successful, never need therapy, never have social anxiety or experience failure, will never be in an IEP or need special ed., medications or therapy.

Maybe. Maybe not. Guess what, when your kid DOES need that shit, when your kid DOESN'T learn at the rate and by the standards of public education, your eyes open real fast.

 

[Fitguy308]

Obama ain't the answer for your children