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Obama/Biden 2012!

There is no hope for any of the candidates. This is a matter if picking the lesser of two evils. So I pick Obama.
 
There is no hope for any of the candidates. This is a matter if picking the lesser of two evils. So I pick Obama.

or you could pick gary johnson and get to say you actually voted on principal instead of lesser of two evils
 
or you could pick gary johnson and get to say you actually voted on principal instead of lesser of two evils

or you could be realistic and vote for romney instead of throwing your vote away on a canidate and handing obumblesse another tour
 
Im voting jean chretien
 
or you could pick gary johnson and get to say you actually voted on principal instead of lesser of two evils

We already discussed the reasons I'm voting for Obama. I want out of this fucking hole I'm living in. I don't like living here :).
 
any good banting or scandals lately bro?
and who does ef endorse for pins i need some
err, my friend needs them

we had a rash of alters last week, no big deal. I always get pins from GPZ Services, bought at least 300 and everything is top notch with them
 
we had a rash of alters last week, no big deal. I always get pins from GPZ Services, bought at least 300 and everything is top notch with them

gpz, good deal.
looking fwd to some serious joosing this winter
 
gpz, good deal.
looking fwd to some serious joosing this winter

looks like you and me both.
just had my "first" cycle earlier this year and was pretty pleased. Gonna hit a cycle again in a couple months in earnest.
 
looks like you and me both.
just had my "first" cycle earlier this year and was pretty pleased. Gonna hit a cycle again in a couple months in earnest.

gonna try some decca lite in a few months, just 300mgs
see what it does
i've been collecting a wide variety of various shit, haven't used any of it.
 
gonna try some decca lite in a few months, just 300mgs
see what it does
i've been collecting a wide variety of various shit, haven't used any of it.

lol sometimes I feel like a damn hoarder with this shit over the years. Its always "gee I better buy this while this source is awesome before he gets shutdown, turns scammer, etc"
 
I wasn't going to vote, after all the stupod political threads I've decided to vote for Obama just so I can cancel out a Romney supporter.
 
or you could be realistic and vote for romney instead of throwing your vote away on a canidate and handing obumblesse another tour

up until a few weeks ago i was absolutely going to vote for Johnson because those fucking republicans shit on Ron Paul. But then the 47% comment was made and that got me swaying, then just the other day Romney got infront of a camera and despite all of this cutting spending talk started talking about building more submarines then the pentagon even wanted or thinks is necessary. Those things are closing on 3B and romney wants to build 3 a year....awesome!!

Romney wants to build more Virginia-class submarines - Daily Press


the good ole deficit spending republicans are trying to make a comeback and i would vote for Obama over any republican like that even if Obama painted his ass white, drew on a hitler stash and gave us all a sieg heile. I am done with deficit spending republican monkeys, this shit started in the 80's with Reagan and it's got to stop. The democrats at least pay off the credit card. For all this tough talk about China from Romney he wants to take out more credit from them? Fuck this guy. Guess what, if Romeny wins spending will stay exactly the same...just in different places. And they'll put it on a credit card and do all this wonderful shit with all this free money and the ramifications won't be felt till after he's out of office at which point he'll claim it wasn't his administration that anything to do with any kind of economic downturn. It's kick the ball down the road politics. You can bitch and whine about democrat spending, but at least the're making "somewhat" of an effort to pay for it. 15 submarines in 5 years is around 50B dollars.....and for what? No country on the planet can deal with the subs that we got now.
 
or you could be realistic and vote for romney instead of throwing your vote away on a canidate and handing obumblesse another tour
Have you seen the list of proposed cuts they would support? The vast majority of those cuts, virtually 3/4 of them, are cuts to programs that benefit the poor and support the arts and humanities. In a time when most school districts are cutting funding to the art programs the last thing we need to do is make further cuts to what little culture this nation has. It's been proven that regular exposure to the arts and music improves children's scores on I.Q. tests.

Oh, and the other big cut is to Amtrak, when gas prices are rising and ridership is at the highest point it's been in ages. Unfortunately, rails are just like roads, they NEED to be maintained. Talk about energy independence, one of the ways we can become independent is by increasing the use of public transportation, not cutting funding to it.

An we can't keep dumping everything back on states. One, states are going bankrupt. Two, if you dump it on states, then that means increase in state taxes. Am I the only one that noticed that Ryan refused to answer Biden when Biden accused them of potentially eliminating the mortgage interest deduction?
 
long job season for me, not much comp time.
plus i currently don't have a comp, i'm shadily posting from work.
how did the tat come along bro pics?

gonna get it finsihed in november, it loks good ill get some pics up, u get any more ink
 
Have you seen the list of proposed cuts they would support? The vast majority of those cuts, virtually 3/4 of them, are cuts to programs that benefit the poor and support the arts and humanities. In a time when most school districts are cutting funding to the art programs the last thing we need to do is make further cuts to what little culture this nation has. It's been proven that regular exposure to the arts and music improves children's scores on I.Q. tests.

Oh, and the other big cut is to Amtrak, when gas prices are rising and ridership is at the highest point it's been in ages. Unfortunately, rails are just like roads, they NEED to be maintained. Talk about energy independence, one of the ways we can become independent is by increasing the use of public transportation, not cutting funding to it.

An we can't keep dumping everything back on states. One, states are going bankrupt. Two, if you dump it on states, then that means increase in state taxes. Am I the only one that noticed that Ryan refused to answer Biden when Biden accused them of potentially eliminating the mortgage interest deduction?

Who gives a shit about arts funding when our nations math/sci rankings are in the toilet. Thats where the damn funding needs to go
 
Who gives a shit about arts funding when our nations math/sci rankings are in the toilet. Thats where the damn funding needs to go
Let's try it this way, since you didn't seem to completely read what I posted:

David Sousa in his book How the Brain Learns offers the following on this topic as he cites the work of Vaughn and Winner from 2000 saying the study of the association between students taking arts courses and their SAT scores is one of the largest of its kind taking several years and involving over 10 million American high school students.

-Students who took arts classes had higher math, verbal and composite SAT scores than students who did not take arts classes.

-The more years of art classes, the higher the SAT scores

-Acting classes had the highest correlation with verbal SAT scores while Acting classes, music history, music theory or appreciation had the strongest relationship with math SAT scores.

Simply put, there is absolutely a correlation between art/music and improving math and science scores. Delete arts from the curriculum, kids get stupider, not smarter.
 
Im in Texas rob, not exactly a swing state

When I'm out of town working I stay in a hotel with a bunch of OFT from texas. They somehow forget TX used to be a blue state and act like it's been republican central for the last 100 years.
 
I didnt say eliminate arts, i said funding needs to be shifted to where its needed more which is math/sci. Surely you agree that a heavier focus on math/sci benefits our math/sci performance than more focus on arts in the hopes it flings off math/sci benefits.
 
When I'm out of town working I stay in a hotel with a bunch of OFT from texas. They somehow forget TX used to be a blue state and act like it's been republican central for the last 100 years.

Most of dixie used to be "blue" but the connotations of "blue" now is different than what it used to be also, just like the dem party used to be different
 
gonna get it finsihed in november, it loks good ill get some pics up, u get any more ink

yep both pecs tatted up, touch up and added more shit to the sleeves.
one pec has a gnarly skull, the other pec and shoulder is bio-mechanical, gearing and shit like that pretty gnar.
pec tats hurt bro never again
 
yep both pecs tatted up, touch up and added more shit to the sleeves.
one pec has a gnarly skull, the other pec and shoulder is bio-mechanical, gearing and shit like that pretty gnar.
pec tats hurt bro never again

Quit trying to be a badass...jk love ya bro
 
I didnt say eliminate arts, i said funding needs to be shifted to where its needed more which is math/sci. Surely you agree that a heavier focus on math/sci benefits our math/sci performance than more focus on arts in the hopes it flings off math/sci benefits.
No, I can't agree, sorry. I'm older than you and I've watched the science/math curriculum change from the time I went to school to when my kids went. In about 20 years science and math have become way more demanding, earlier. Logically you'd think if THAT was all that was needed, America's scores would have been going up. Meanwhile it's the art, music, phys. ed. departments that are losing funding and compared to other countries America lags. It can't be a coincidence.

Not to mention the fact that if you cut arts and music, there's a huge percentage of children whose only exposure to art will be graffiti and the only music they'll ever hear is rap. Is THAT a healthy direction for the future? Kids who can't appreciate a Van Gogh or a symphony by Mozart?

Finally, not all brains work the same. A child who has no gift for math may be an artistic or musical genius, but if all they find is failure because they can't "get" math how will they ever find success if nothing else is offered (particularly if they come from a poor family that can't afford to send them for private music lessons or provide them with art supplies?)
 
When I'm out of town working I stay in a hotel with a bunch of OFT from texas. They somehow forget TX used to be a blue state and act like it's been republican central for the last 100 years.

Texas did not change - they have always been conservative. There are no more conservative democrats.

All the democrats I knew growing up are staunch republicans now.
 
No, I can't agree, sorry. I'm older than you and I've watched the science/math curriculum change from the time I went to school to when my kids went. In about 20 years science and math have become way more demanding, earlier. Logically you'd think if THAT was all that was needed, America's scores would have been going up. Meanwhile it's the art, music, phys. ed. departments that are losing funding and compared to other countries America lags. It can't be a coincidence.

Not to mention the fact that if you cut arts and music, there's a huge percentage of children whose only exposure to art will be graffiti and the only music they'll ever hear is rap. Is THAT a healthy direction for the future? Kids who can't appreciate a Van Gogh or a symphony by Mozart?

Finally, not all brains work the same. A child who has no gift for math may be an artistic or musical genius, but if all they find is failure because they can't "get" math how will they ever find success if nothing else is offered (particularly if they come from a poor family that can't afford to send them for private music lessons or provide them with art supplies?)

This makes no sense since all we ever hear is how american public education system has gotten soft over the last few decades i.e. kids coming out of high school with 5th or 6th grade reading levels, pitiful math and science scores, etc.
In china and india they dont seem to have a problem demanding more of their kids earlier, which is exactly what they are doing and getting good results while besting americans in math/sci.
Sounds like american parents have been failing their kids over the last 20 years if thats the case.
The kids who are into graffiti and rap were never going to appreciate fine arts. That sort of thing is cultural and rarely overcome but i guess "it it changes once kids life" etc etc
Once again, you keep saying Im eliminating arts altogether when Im saying the funding for math/sci should be the focus.
 
Once again, you keep saying Im eliminating arts altogether when Im saying the funding for math/sci should be the focus.
It works very simply, the funding to schools is finite. The choice is to either get MORE funding from somewhere, or take funding from other areas. That's what's happening where I live. Funding is being cut to vo-tech and arts programs because there just isn't enough to go around. I already pay disgustingly high taxes (my property measures 75' x 135' and my yearly RE taxes are over $5,500, no lie -- and NO the teachers are NOT overpaid, Senators are overpaid, not teachers) so what do we do, raise property taxes even further, cut funding to other programs or ... wait for it ... hope the federal government will provide some additional resources since we spend a FRACTION OF A FRACTION of tax revenue on education compared to the DOD budget?!? What's more important, protecting this country now, or insuring it's success in the future? Apparently there is only enough money to fund one or the other.
 
Fuck art!
Please tell me you're joking ... some of the idiots on this board have no concept of sarcasm.

If you're not joking I hope your child is an artistic or musical genius with dyscalculia (which I have). Have fun with that ... and enjoy their absolute, total LACK of success in school :qt:
 
Lol @ your fit of projection there sweetheart!
Oh, forgive me, of course there is no possibility that any child you fathered would be anything less than a stellar academic success. No chance any kid of yours will ever have their name embroidered on the shirt pocket of their uniform, right? RIGHT?!? No chance what so ever. Your child will be happy, successful, never need therapy, never have social anxiety or experience failure, will never be in an IEP or need special ed., medications or therapy.

Maybe. Maybe not. Guess what, when your kid DOES need that shit, when your kid DOESN'T learn at the rate and by the standards of public education, your eyes open real fast.
 
What the hell is Discalculia?
I swear BM, you could make a fortune at med schools for the students to evaluate you since you have every medical condition known to man
 
What the hell is Discalculia?
I swear BM, you could make a fortune at med schools for the students to evaluate you since you have every medical condition known to man
 
Oh, forgive me, of course there is no possibility that any child you fathered would be anything less than a stellar academic success. No chance any kid of yours will ever have their name embroidered on the shirt pocket of their uniform, right? RIGHT?!? No chance what so ever. Your child will be happy, successful, never need therapy, never have social anxiety or experience failure, will never be in an IEP or need special ed., medications or therapy.

Maybe. Maybe not. Guess what, when your kid DOES need that shit, when your kid DOESN'T learn at the rate and by the standards of public education, your eyes open real fast.

His daughter is pretty fucking awesome.
 
teachers are overpaid, they work 9 months a year, get a shit load of days off during year -

oh and lol @ arts, more people need to learn to get a job than pain a damn picture


hehehehehehhehehe (I do love teachers just wanted to stir more shit up)
 
What the hell is Discalculia?
I swear BM, you could make a fortune at med schools for the students to evaluate you since you have every medical condition known to man
Dyscalculia is the math version of dyslexia. I'm a fucking math moron, can't handle anything beyond the most basic shit necessary to balance a checkbook. It's the primary reason why I'm a fucking life fucking failure. It's lots of fucking fun, here, read about it shithead: www.aboutdyscalculia.org

And yeah, I have a lot wrong with me, thank your parents or your gods or whatever you believe in that you don't have crap genetics 'cause I know I'm sooooo grateful to live in chronic daily pain. Torn tendons, DJD and osteoarthritis are just the motherfucking best on top of the PTSD, depression, low self esteem and anxiety my daddy beat into me.
 
His daughter is pretty fucking awesome.

I'm biased, but I fully agree.

My son is fucking awesome too, despite the fact that he has ADHD as well as a Visual processing Learning disability and is on an IEP since 1st grade. He is however, excellent at Math. I think he gets that from me.
 
I'm biased, but I fully agree.

My son is fucking awesome too, despite the fact that he has ADHD as well as a Visual processing Learning disability and is on an IEP since 1st grade. He is however, excellent at Math. I think he gets that from me.

He did look pimp in his homecoming jacket.
 
teachers are overpaid, they work 9 months a year, get a shit load of days off during year -

oh and lol @ arts, more people need to learn to get a job than pain a damn picture


hehehehehehhehehe (I do love teachers just wanted to stir more shit up)

my wife's teaching salary is like 37k/year. are you serious??? that's where you think funding needs to be cut?
 
my wife's teaching salary is like 37k/year. are you serious??? that's where you think funding needs to be cut?

Get her to teach special ED. My mother taught severely emotionally disturbed kids as well as severely handicapped kids and made well over 100K/yr., she has full benefits from her teachers union until she dies and since CA is broke, they paid her to retire 3 years early so they could replace her with a cheaper teacher.
 
Get her to teach special ED. My mother taught severely emotionally disturbed kids as well as severely handicapped kids and made well over 100K/yr., she has full benefits from her teachers union until she dies and since CA is broke, they paid her to retire 3 years early so they could replace her with a cheaper teacher.

She was originally going to try special education but decided against it after talking to some of those teachers. I'm trying not to be disrespectful to the kids, but they basically said they change diapers all day.

Also, there's no teacher's union in GA. No teacher of any sort will ever make 100k here. Which, IMO, is overpaying anyway.
 
She was originally going to try special education but decided against it after talking to some of those teachers. I'm trying not to be disrespectful to the kids, but they basically said they change diapers all day.

Also, there's no teacher's union in GA. No teacher of any sort will ever make 100k here. Which, IMO, is overpaying anyway.

The teacher doesn't do that. There's aids making $18/hr. to do that.
 
I didnt say eliminate arts, i said funding needs to be shifted to where its needed more which is math/sci. Surely you agree that a heavier focus on math/sci benefits our math/sci performance than more focus on arts in the hopes it flings off math/sci benefits.


well but i think mm is right, i've also read the studies that show the correlation between right and left brain development. I used to think just like you, it's art who gives a shit. But it's not as simple as macrome or arts and crafts stuff...it's right brain thinking that needs to be developed. The left side of the brain is the calculation stuff while the right side is how best to apply those calculations, it a nutshell. The countries that are beating us in those sciences get this concept, that's why their beating us. And frankly the loss of PE in schools is seriously alarming. Kids should absolutely be forced to move around. We can't breed generations of smart but ultimately fat and lazy humans.
 
my wife's teaching salary is like 37k/year. are you serious??? that's where you think funding needs to be cut?

gave you K for this^^

In japan your wife would be making in the 60's at least, they actually respect teachers there but also demand more out of them because they pay them what they beleive their value is to society. Here teachers are treated like pieces of shit then we act surprised when we can't get any good ones.
 
teachers are overpaid, they work 9 months a year, get a shit load of days off during year -

oh and lol @ arts, more people need to learn to get a job than pain a damn picture


hehehehehehhehehe (I do love teachers just wanted to stir more shit up)


I saw that you shit
 
Dyscalculia is the math version of dyslexia. I'm a fucking math moron, can't handle anything beyond the most basic shit necessary to balance a checkbook. It's the primary reason why I'm a fucking life fucking failure. It's lots of fucking fun, here, read about it shithead: www.aboutdyscalculia.org

And yeah, I have a lot wrong with me, thank your parents or your gods or whatever you believe in that you don't have crap genetics 'cause I know I'm sooooo grateful to live in chronic daily pain. Torn tendons, DJD and osteoarthritis are just the motherfucking best on top of the PTSD, depression, low self esteem and anxiety my daddy beat into me.

Not to get into a pissing contest since Im sure you win (lose?), but in the last 10 years Ive had 4 major surgeries, ear reconstruction surgery and the accompanying hearing loss, eustachian tube doesnt work, cant get any water in my ear whatsoever or its off to the doctor, torn tendons, torn miniscus, certain addictions stemming from childhood exposures/trauma, etc etc.

But I never bitch about it or think the government should pay for it or anything because what do I always say?

Life isnt fair.
 
Not to get into a pissing contest since Im sure you win (lose?), but in the last 10 years Ive had 4 major surgeries, ear reconstruction surgery and the accompanying hearing loss, eustachian tube doesnt work, cant get any water in my ear whatsoever or its off to the doctor, torn tendons, torn miniscus, certain addictions stemming from childhood exposures/trauma, etc etc.

But I never bitch about it or think the government should pay for it or anything because what do I always say?

Life isnt fair.
Can i get a witness from the congregation !
 
You Americans should have kept Ron Paul he was your only hope. Now he'll be dead by next election


he's healthier than all of them, he'll be around next election he'll just be too old to run. He's done, unfortunately. You are absolutely right, he was the only one who had a modicum of a sense of reality about what's going on.
 
it's still about hope
still about change

sincerely,
discuss

I hope I still have any change left in my pocket by the time Mr. Obama is done trying to tax me out of business! And I hope I can get my aortic valve changed before an Obamacare review board decides age 45 is too old to be worth keeping around....

Charles
 
Doesn't matter who wins anyway Hu Jintao owns penetration rights to the next president, new world currency the yen.
 
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