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Omega I just noticed that Swole V2 (or something like that) which I tried a few months ago also has creatine di-malate, which is the main thing in Volume DNA. Honestly I'm a creatine non-responder and Swole V2 didn't do shit for me, so I just have to assume that Volume DNA will be the same deal.

BUT, I'm an EnerG customer if that makes you happy.
I'm going to give CEE a try post-cycle, hoping to find a creatine product that finally works for me. Cause I know for a fact that creatine is great for people that respond to it.
 
the powder is very hygroscopic and tastes not so good.. capping was really the only option.

as a note some of the people selling powder are not selling CEE (unless they are selling it below cost-.. which is, as you might have guessed, unlikely)
 
so Guys-

whats the verdict so far? strength? mass? pumps?

1) those who already respond to creatine or creatine + dextrose: is the CEE comparable? Better? Not as good?
2) for creatine non-responders: does the CEE work for you?

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hoping to hear good reports since I'm planning on some var soon....

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Capsules might not be a bad idea cuz man, does that stuff taste bad.
 
Ulter said:
Macro is the one who should answer these but he's moving so he's not reading the board. I don't mind answering but most of these were already answered in other posts on this thread.

No you will not hold water like regular creatine. That's one of the big pluses of using an ethyl ester.

It has no effect on the liver.
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i am thinking of trying this since i repsond awsome to creatine but i hold water and get a bloat face whenever using creatine (used several different brands) and you say this wont make me hold water, so no bloat face? (assume diet is on track, with low sodium intake?


also i may have missed this in the thread but no loading stage? and how does one determine how much to take ? 230 lbs
 
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So there are no known sides huh? What do you honestly think as far as possible sides? I'm just curious
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none. though at high doses you might get some of the same sides that high dose creatine can cause (bloating, diahrea, cramping).. though unlikely..
 
geoboy said:
so Guys-

whats the verdict so far? strength? mass? pumps?

1) those who already respond to creatine or creatine + dextrose: is the CEE comparable? Better? Not as good?
2) for creatine non-responders: does the CEE work for you?

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hoping to hear good reports since I'm planning on some var soon....

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anybody ?
 
I started powder from another supplier last night. All i'm hoping for is some additional strength, no weight gain.
 
Ulter said:
CEE powder? How's that taste?
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I can say with confidence that it probably rivaled unflavored EnerG. I misjudged a serving and put two heaping spoonfuls into some juice...I wished I was dead.
 
I have been taking a different companies version of CEE for 1 week. I am taking 2g's a day. I have gained 20 lb on my bench. I am not bloated, have no cramps, and did not experience any upset stomachs. Its nice to get the effects of creatine monohydrate without retaining water. Unfortunately I am too poor to spend $30+ on AF brand. I actually found it for 25% of the price. And no its not regular creatine being sold as CEE because it has the horrible taste people have talked about. Maybe I would gain additional strength taking Af CEE however i doubt it since I am already getting a 10% increase in strength. The stuff would have to be like var to make me gain more.
 
dr0832 said:
I have been taking a different companies version of CEE for 1 week. I am taking 2g's a day. I have gained 20 lb on my bench. I am not bloated, have no cramps, and did not experience any upset stomachs. Its nice to get the effects of creatine monohydrate without retaining water. Unfortunately I am too poor to spend $30+ on AF brand. I actually found it for 25% of the price. And no its not regular creatine being sold as CEE because it has the horrible taste people have talked about. Maybe I would gain additional strength taking Af CEE however i doubt it since I am already getting a 10% increase in strength. The stuff would have to be like var to make me gain more.
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have you been getting good/better pumps with CEE compared to regular creatine?
 
I have perpetual pumps with CEE. but honestly I couldn;t give a shit about pumps. Lift heavy weights nd you get pumps. Its not like pumps do anything for muscle growth.
 
dr0832 said:
I have perpetual pumps with CEE. but honestly I couldn;t give a shit about pumps. Lift heavy weights nd you get pumps. Its not like pumps do anything for muscle growth.
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"dah pamp iz bedder than a awgazim"
Arnold, circa 1975
 
dr0832 said:
I have perpetual pumps with CEE. but honestly I couldn;t give a shit about pumps. Lift heavy weights nd you get pumps. Its not like pumps do anything for muscle growth.
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actually pumps will stretch/micro tear the muscle fascia allowing for growth (one of the primary limiting factors on size is muscle fascia elasticy and initial "sheath" size.)
 
macrophage69alpha said:
actually pumps will stretch/micro tear the muscle fascia allowing for growth (one of the primary limiting factors on size is muscle fascia elasticy and initial "sheath" size.)
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Arnold's quote is pithier :D

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macrophage69alpha said:
actually pumps will stretch/micro tear the muscle fascia allowing for growth (one of the primary limiting factors on size is muscle fascia elasticy and initial "sheath" size.)
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Exactly!! And I must report day 12 of CEE and I am noticing a difference in pumps for sure but because I use HST it is tough to measure strenght improvements. I never respond to creatine though so I am happy about CEE thus far.
 
cannot comment with respect to ALRI- however if its any indication of quality the pricing is well below their normal markup (given costs of the raw materials).
 
Yup, gonna have to try it. Thanks for the good products guys, keep 'em coming!!

Whiskey
 
I think I got my first creatine pump today. I did chest & delts and it felt like somebody took a blowtorch to my shoulders. I mean just hanging straight down I wanted somebody to just come and cut 'em off. I looked fuckin huge though. I started it Monday but today was the first day I really felt anything...then again I started IGF-1 Monday too, lol. :)
 
OMEGA said:
Stack the CEE with EnerG

that would be the best non hormonal stack ever
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I believe my EnerG is waiting for me at the rental office now. :)
 
I just ordered some CEE... gonna try it with Var/dbol for around 8 weeks.. i usually do well with creatine.. and don't mind the little extra water weight.. so I'll have to see how this does.. post feedback after I've tried it a little bit..
 
I'll let you know on Monday/Tuesday. I'm going to take them on Monday. I didn't read whether or not it's fast acting or not. But I'll let you know.
 
Been taking CEE for two weeks now, found that I get the best pump when I take it approximately two hours before workout.
 
I've been taking it morning and night. I guess I should try it around the workout and see what happens.
 
up 7 pounds since i started taking it which was like 2 weeks ago.. much more endurance.. i also notice i get angry very easily now and im not on juice is this normal..
 
no i'm not, i've also never taken a supplement of anything in my life so i dunno if this plays a role in the changing of my body chemistry which would make me more aggresive.. i know its there though because i do stupid shit now like i threw my 400 dollar cell phone at the wall last night cause it wouldn't charge.. and almost threw my laptop at the wall today cause i couldn't get online
 
Phaded said:
up 7 pounds since i started taking it which was like 2 weeks ago.. much more endurance.. i also notice i get angry very easily now and im not on juice is this normal..
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It shouldn't make you angry. It's great that you added weight. I assume you're bulking. Creatine doesn't usually add LBM that fast but the increase in strength should be apparent by now.


DIVISION There are a lot of people who respond very well to creatine. Especially in this form where it goes right to the cell. You will definately notice a change when you start using CEE every day. Especially if you're off.
 
ulter what would be good to stack these with for a first cycle.. anavar, winnie, deca,etc, etc, what would be your choice.. looking to gain some lbm while cutting some bf
 
First cycles should always be test alone. I suggest you use 500mg/wk of enanthate for 8 weeks with an aromatese inhibitor.
You can't gain LBM and cut at the same time effectively, especially on a first cycle. You'll either hold back your gains by not eating enough or you'll eat too much to be losing fat. It's winter. Put on the mass and then work off the fat and water you gain on your second cycle. Your first cycle should be all about gaining as much LBM as you can.
 
Ulter said:
First cycles should always be test alone. I suggest you use 500mg/wk of enanthate for 8 weeks with an aromatese inhibitor.
You can't gain LBM and cut at the same time effectively, especially on a first cycle. You'll either hold back your gains by not eating enough or you'll eat too much to be losing fat. It's winter. Put on the mass and then work off the fat and water you gain on your second cycle. Your first cycle should be all about gaining as much LBM as you can.
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I say just do clean bulking cycles all the time and save the cutters for pre-contest. You'll end up making better use of the juice that way.
 
Dial_tone said:
I say just do clean bulking cycles all the time and save the cutters for pre-contest. You'll end up making better use of the juice that way.
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really depends on the person. if you are a technical mesomorph, then this is very viable. With endo/ecto's it can go either way. though its generally a solid path. some people will find it very difficult to really lean bulk effectively
 
i'm already 226 i'm sure even a cutting cycle will put 7 to 10 lbs on me while cutting some bf.. which is all i'd want out of a 10 week cycle
 
ulter i currently have energ volumedna and cee and i usually never take off so i was taking the supps every day.. i'm gonna start taking days off should i still take the supps even on days off or just preworkout post workout
 
i'm saying i've been training 7 days a week.. i'm gonna start going 3 on 1 off.. i'm just wondering if my one day off if i should still be taking cee/volumedna/energ.. even though i'm not working out.. what i'm doing now is volumedna/cee pre workout then 2 scoops of energ postworkout then 2 more at dinner.. thanks in advance big guy.. its 40 degrees where i'm at. and feeling fucking great
 
was 45.. felt lke 40 when i checked earlier.. you're in waterford area.. i'm in casselberry area
 
I guess creatine is used primarily for wt gain and apump, but when was the scientific 10 year study completed. I know the NSCA does not recommend the product.
 
the NSCA and other personal training organizations dont reccomend many supplements, mostly for liability reasons. Why? Because people have blamed creatine for various maladies, usually due to coaching incompetence and overtraining, poor diet, inadequate water, etc (examples wrestlers deaths due to dehydration and hyperthermia- tried to blame creatine- when running in super suits, sauna and inadequate water intake and extreme calorie deprivation to "make weight" were in fact the cause- as found by the coroner.)

in numerous studies creatine has proven to be a performance enhancer. particulary exhaustion and 1rm studies.
 
Well.. so far so good.. I got my CEE, T-Rex, YES in on Friday.. been taking CEE 3caps/day also with 30mg/var.. i've used the T-rex before but never the YES so i'm excited about that.. I've always been a good creatine responder.. always gotten good pumps and unbelieveable energy and stamina.. I could do my normal workout and still keep going and.. I workout HARD.. a stack of CEE.. T-rex and YES pre-workout.. WHEW.. wish I hadn't pulled a tendon in my right arm and could do some upper body and some actual lifting.. but better off to let it heal than damage it any more.. anyway..

I usually take just plain ole micronized creatine.. or lately.. AST's Creatine HSC.. creatine with carbs (34g of glucose).. 1g taurine.. and other things to help absorption of creatine.. really a great product.. with regular creatine.. I take it 20g/day for 3 days.. and then 3 days off.. allowing the body to keep it's sensitivity to creatine while still keeping levels high.. this has worked BETTER than any creatine cycle I've done.. better than loading for 5-7 days and then staying with 5g per day.. I doubted this method at first but it is highly effective when using regular creatine supps.. can't say the same for CEE..

So far I would have to say I can tell the CEE is working.. the var is helping my recovery and strength gains but I can feel that creatine like endurance and stamina that I get so much when I take creatine.. and it's only been a few days.. so things are looking hopeful.. I'm on a cutter right now so not expecting any real gains.. just to keep some strength and size.. but great product AF.. !

For people interested in how to increase the effectiveness of regular creatine or micronized creatine.. check out this article.. helped me out a lot.. http://ast-ss.com/articles/article.asp?AID=243 .. you don't have to use their products but of COURSE they endorse it.. :)
 
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Ulter said:
Its rapid absorption and nearly 100% utilization makes Creatine Ethyl Ester 30-40 times more potent than regular creatine. Its absorption is so potent, it will improve the performance and delivery of other supplements.
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Hey ulter.. if you could find some medical proof of this.. or anything tested really.. this could be HUGE.. I agree.. and there seems hope that when taken with other things it could enhance absorption of those things as well.. but I would like to see some sort of clinical proof.. and so would other people.. this could be an alternate selling point for the product... I mean not ONLY is it a superior creatine product.. when taken with your day to day supplements it will enhance absorption of those as WELL!.. i mean.. sounds too good to be true.. ha ha.. Because you said this.. and I think it has some merit.. I've been taking some of my CEE with my regular supps in the morning.. my multivit.. EFA's.. Chromium.. Milk Thistle.. CLA.. Glucosamine/Chondroitin.. my typical morning cocktail.. to see if maybe it can help increase absorption of these products.. of course I'll never really ever be able to tell if it's working.. but it's worth a shot! :)

If someone could find some clincal research that shows that esterified substances enhance absorption of other substances taken with them.. it would be esentially the same thing we have going on here.. I doubt your gonna find a lot of studies on CEE yet.. it's too new.. but you could probably find the other one.. I'm sure whoever found such an article would deserve some massive K!.. :p
 
those estimates and theoretical uptake based on cell models. (claims made by others).

IMHO based both on use and theory, uptake is greater, bloating is non-existant, its generally more effective. And will likely provide very good results for those that get unwanted bloat with monohydrate and for monohydrate non-responders. It will generally be easier on kidneys as well.
 
Ok so it says 1 tab per 60lbs of body weight before work out. Now do you take the whole dose before work out or spread it out through the day. Im 205lbs, take 1 in the morning 1 in the after noon and 2 at 7pm before work out.
 
Excidium28 said:
Ok so it says 1 tab per 60lbs of body weight before work out. Now do you take the whole dose before work out or spread it out through the day. Im 205lbs, take 1 in the morning 1 in the after noon and 2 at 7pm before work out.
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there are a variety of patterns of usage, though that one seems solid.

some people like before and after, its really a matter of preference. you should try it both ways to see what YOU like best.
 
wow...that's all I have to say. I didn't even work out that hard because I didn't have the chance to do anything last week but DAMN. My chest looks huge! lol Thanks Macro!
 
3rd day on CEE.... all I can say is... DAMNNNNNNN. I respond really well to creatine for some reason, but I can tell a huge difference with CEE. More pump, more reps... and even that final rep where I usually fail half way.... I just keep going.. I'm going to try an up my dose to 4 pills a day and see what happens.. Feels like i'm on again..
 
I'll post my general results as I can gurantee the two places I got the CEE powder from have the real deal. I injest the powder in Crystal Light, and it's not that bad.
Seriously if you research liquid clo or tamox you can handle this stuff-but capsules are the best option for most.
I am not going to post sources or argue about prices as I just wanna give feedback on CEE results.
I'll just outline my progress as I used this stuff when it immediately came out in late October-as well as I have seen results from others who have used it also and reported similar gains.
First off I am a Monohydrate Responder. Creatine is the only thing I have ever taken that gives "steroid like gains" with HPTA suppression and other sides.
The problem for most and me is the appetite suppression and bloating and gas.
Now over the past few years I have limited this by taking micronized CM but still get some loss of appetite and gastrobloating.
CEE
Most guys I know that have results are using 5 grams a day.
Me I did 10 grams a day of the CEE on work out days (PWO) and before BED and then on Non work out days 5 grams at lunch
"I am taking 10 grams on WO days and 5 grams on off days. Other than my standard BCAA's and Glutamine I am not taking anything else other than the CEE as I wanted to measure this stuff accordingly in a non biased way.
I reluctantly stepped on the scale and am up 6 lbs.
My muscles feel fuller and a better pump and I feel tighter in tha shirts and pants.
I have recently began training 4 days a week as recouperation is up. I am a little less sore and have a bit more energy.
M W F SN, each bodypart getting his two times a week most weeks.
My strength is up and my recouperation additionally is great too..hence the shorter rest times (days).
My reps are also up-but I adjusted them and added weight, I added about 15 lbs to my major lifts with an extra rep or two.
I chose to adjust weight because I always over train on more reps.
the 8 reps then 2 RP sets of 2-3 reps are ideal for me and I do better at recouping from a set of say *** x 8 +2 RP x 3 reps each than *** x 8-10 + 2 RP's of 3-5 reps each.

Now I'd like to say my results will not be your results. If you try it don't expect to blow up, expect some gains in strength and size.
You will get added weight and strength I promise you, but if you are 200 don't expect 10-15 lbs or more of bodyweight instantly.
I weigh ** right now and hope to get 6-8 more pounds out of this and prolly another 15 lbs on the basic exercises in the next 3-4 weeks.
Also these aren't new gains I have weighed *** before so it's gonna differ with everyone depending upon experience levels.

BTW I am liking the taste of this stuff...I just mix Crystal light with it and chase it with more CL. It's acidic but I take Zantac already due to my caffeine addicition so it's not a problem.
I'd recommend everyone who is interested in this to try 5-7 grams a day for 4-6 weeks."
The text in quotes was a post from early november on CEE.
That was after 10 days and I added another 6 lbs of bodyweight in the next 18 days with an additional 15 lbs to basic lifts and a few reps to the exercises.
Other than the acidic stomach, there was no gastro intestinal problems.
No bloating and or appetite loss.
Muscles were full and pumped.
Recouperation was up.

If you haven't already tried it, get this stuff it works very well.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
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Ok Thanks bro..I started anyway. I"m into day 4..workouts are still going good even without the var. No loss of strenght or size as of yet. I'm 183lbs should I take 3/day or go to the 4-5 that the most recent post recomended?

Thanks
 
Well I just got my CEE today so im excited to start. Last time I ever took any creatine was cell tech over a yr ago. I start a cycle in a couple of weeks so it will be good to get this started a little before hand. Will post results.
 
Well I have been taking 3 caps a day for a week and my muscles are def a little fuller. Im not sure if its water or not but either way I dont mind because water means less friction and more nutrients for the muscle. Seems like i am recovering faster also. Started my cycle today so ill be intersted in seeing how the combo works. Ill keep you guys posted.
 
I believe CEE still does upset my stomach a lil bit but not to an uncomfortable extent. I seem to have to poop often, although low volume....hopefully that wasn't too graphic.
 
dialtone,

while this may or may not be relevant to your case...as mentioned before none of the powders have been tested individually, but 5 of 6 manfacturers tested as substandard (some at 80% CEE) and others as completely different compound.

PureCEE is just that Pure creatine ethyl ester.
 
I just ordered some last night.This is the only supplement i will be taking. I've been natural for over 2 years and plan on staying that way. So I'll keep everyone up to date on how it affects me. Shooting for mass and strength right now....

Macro at 205lbs should i be taking 4 caps?
 
Tony104104 said:
I just ordered some last night.This is the only supplement i will be taking. I've been natural for over 2 years and plan on staying that way. So I'll keep everyone up to date on how it affects me. Shooting for mass and strength right now....

Macro at 205lbs should i be taking 4 caps?
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Yes
 
with a few "design flaws" in my study of one (me), I have to say WOW.

the design flaws are:
1) was after a week layoff, so theres normally alittle bit of renewed strength & pump when you first return, and
2) used whey protein for first time in years right before workout also

that said, I was stronger on lats & bi's than when I was on cycle (hadnt lost much before the PureCEE tho), and got that extra pulling power to squeeze the last 2 or 3 reps like I feel when I'm on Var. and the biceps pump was SICK.

I can't wait to try it with a var cycle :p

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this may replace Yohimburn as my new favorite AF product.
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