Nova everyday during 3rd cycle?

[Ju|ceMaN]

I was going to do this cycle, it is my 3rd. I have read to use 20mg nova everyday and 3 weeks after it. THen I would start my HCG treatment. He is my stack plan.

Anadrol 75mg ED "maybe I should bump this to 100mg ED?" wk 1-4
Andropen 550mg 2x's wk 1-10
Decabol 250mg 1x wk 1-10


Let the bros speak, you bros are my knowledge ; )

 

[Ju|ceMaN]

let me give some stats 29yrs old, lifting heavy for 2 years, 190lbs 5"10. Do you think I should go with 500mg decabol wk instead of 250, or do 500 e wk starting after the anadrol?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

its not particularly wise to run nolva with progestins like nandrolone. You should use an aromatase inhibitor (low dose if you want the "bloat")

 

[Ju|ceMaN]

What would you recommend?

 

[Mr.X]

I was going to do this cycle, it is my 3rd. I have read to use 20mg nova everyday and 3 weeks after it. THen I would start my HCG treatment. He is my stack plan.

Anadrol 75mg ED "maybe I should bump this to 100mg ED?" wk 1-4
Andropen 550mg 2x's wk 1-10
Decabol 250mg 1x wk 1-10


Let the bros speak, you bros are my knowledge ; )

Why are you hitting the a50s? You're on your 3rd cycle, really not even past the beginner stage, no need to use anadrol. 30-40mgs dbol ED is just as good. IMO, on your 3rd cycle, you can easily just use straight test and dbol and have great gains.

Since you're running andropen and deca, jump on some letrozole, 1mg ED.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

What would you recommend?

Aromasin or AIFM.

while these (nor any AI''s) dont actually directly affect progestins, they do down regulate the progesterone receptor (nolva on the other hand upregulates it)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

as a note- natural progesterone is not a "bad guy" hormone, its actually quite a "good guy", but what these progestins do at the PgR quite often is.

 

[Ju|ceMaN]

macrophage69alpha , thanks for the info.

Mr. X so you think the abombs are over kill and i would be ok without? SHould I bump the deca to 500mg a wk? All advice is welcome. I read so many conflicting things but I find this board to be the best source of info.

 

[Ju|ceMaN]

macrophage69alpha, thanks bro ; )

 

[macrophage69alpha]

response to anadrol varies, for many people its no worse than other orals (a lot of people love them), but they dont agree with everyone. With an AI, the bloat from drol is usually quite diminished.

 

[Ju|ceMaN]

I took dbol 50mg "5mg BD" ed for 2 8wk cycles with susta 500 wk. Had zero problems and incredible gains. 170 to 190 in a year so no complaints, that is why I was stepping it up to abombs

 

[Mr.X]

Mr. X so you think the abombs are over kill and i would be ok without? SHould I bump the deca to 500mg a wk? All advice is welcome. I read so many conflicting things but I find this board to be the best source of info.

You're a newbie, you don't need to be messing with anadrol. Just stick to test and dbol. If you must use deca, then try this

dbol 30mgs ED wk 1-4
Andropen 550mg wk 1-10
Decabol 250mg wk 1-10
letrozole 1mg ED wk 1-4
letrozole 0.5mgs ED week 5-10

PCT, you can go with arimidex/clomid/nolva/HCG or aromasin/nolva/hcg

 

[macrophage69alpha]

again, you really dont want to be running nolva post cycle when you have been taking progestins like deca (nandrolone).

and their is nothing wrong with you using anadrol in your third cycle.

however anadrol and dbol while somewhat similar in their effects are VERY different in how they actually "work". So no sides with dbol does not mean no sides with drol and vice versa.

 

[MR Pink]

again, you really dont want to be running nolva post cycle when you have been taking progestins like deca (nandrolone).

Is this because of the long lasting metabolites / long clearance?

 

[Ju|ceMaN]

SHould I substature the decabol with susta, all I have access to for PCT is HCG and Nova ; (

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Is this because of the long lasting metabolites / long clearance?

that and more importantly natural progesterone suppression. in the absence of progesterone, guess who can cross bind with the PgR (thats right your lovely old pal Estrogen)

 

[MR Pink]

that and more importantly natural progesterone suppression. in the absence of progesterone, guess who can cross bind with the PgR (thats right your lovely old pal Estrogen)

Good info!... will progestins increase PgR during the cycle?

And just a recap:

Nolva will bind to the ER and prevents estrogens from binding with the ER but the estrogens will bind with the PgR instead...right?

 

[MR Pink]

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Good info!... will progestins increase PgR during the cycle?

And just a recap:

Nolva will bind to the ER and prevents estrogens from binding with the ER but the estrogens will bind with the PgR instead...right?

1. varies, dependant on activity
2. yes, though this is not usually extensive (though this again varies) and the problems caused by estrogen displacement may be more non genomic effects than steroid receptor oreinted.

 

[Ju|ceMaN]

I cannot get letrozole... Not at a price I can afford anyway.. I have HCG and Nolva. SO deca would not be recommended with this cycle? If I changed it to 400mg andropen and 250mg susta a wk would I be good with nolva and hcg with pct?

 

[MR Pink]

1. varies, dependant on activity
2. yes, though this is not usually extensive (though this again varies) and the problems caused by estrogen displacement may be more non genomic effects than steroid receptor oreinted.

Ok I understand what you are saying but can you elaborate nr 2 a bit further?

Thanks