Even those who are against roid but are honest about them will tell you that pro-hormones have nearly all the side that roids do with no evidence for substainal muscle gains. If the steroid nay-sayers will admit that steroids are highly effective, but generally do no have short term sides, aside from the occasional case of gyno without proper precautions and maybe some pyschological symptomes. And these same individuals will tell you that you can get gyno or other sides from prohormones but the evidence is extremely sparse for muscle growth, who the hell would do adrenal hormones. Save your money, buy some primo if you are afraid of the big roids. It will work, with no sides, and you will not be throwing your money down the toliet.