Nolva + Letrozole?

[marvelous54]

I have a slight case of natural occuring gyno. I am currently on a 12 wk sust cycle (550mg/wk) and liquidex @ .5mg/ed. I would like to try the Nolva + Letrozole remedy. Should I do so during my cycle, during pct, or by itself after pct?

 

[Mr.X]

When is your cycle going to end?
Buy Nolvadex
Buy Letrozole

 

[marvelous54]

I just started so it will be 11wks until my last inj. However, I have had a mild case of natty gyno for a few years. Occured after the wreck I was telling you about. I was playing NCAA baseball at the time and Doc said where my activity and natural test was so high and then I was inactive it caused it to kick in.

 

[Mr.X]

I just started so it will be 11wks until my last inj. However, I have had a mild case of natty gyno for a few years. Occured after the wreck I was telling you about. I was playing NCAA baseball at the time and Doc said where my activity and natural test was so high and then I was inactive it caused it to kick in.

I would not run the cycle until you try to get rid of the gyno. Since you just started, you can do mild PCT and jump on nolva + letro to see if you can get rid of your gyno.

 

[marvelous54]

I would not run the cycle until you try to get rid of the gyno. Since you just started, you can do mild PCT and jump on nolva + letro to see if you can get rid of your gyno.

Thanks bro

 

[Mr.X]

Thanks bro

no problem

 

[marvelous54]

I actually talked with a friend of a girlfriend who is a PS. I sent her some pics and she said that it looked to her more like stubborn fatty stores simialr to some guys with subborn love handles. I think I'm gonna go ahead and finish the cutting cycle, use the YES and clen and see how it looks from there.

You think this is the correct move?

 

[Mr.X]

I actually talked with a friend of a girlfriend who is a PS. I sent her some pics and she said that it looked to her more like stubborn fatty stores simialr to some guys with subborn love handles. I think I'm gonna go ahead and finish the cutting cycle, use the YES and clen and see how it looks from there.

You think this is the correct move?

Does she know you use AS?

 

[Ulter]

I just started so it will be 11wks until my last inj. However, I have had a mild case of natty gyno for a few years. Occured after the wreck I was telling you about. I was playing NCAA baseball at the time and Doc said where my activity and natural test was so high and then I was inactive it caused it to kick in.

A doctor told you that dropping your natural test was the cause of your gyno? I'd like to hear that explanation from him.

It sounds like you've got a pretty opinion from someone who has seen it. That sounds much more reasonable. I think YES will help you.

I don't know if I would go all the way to letro though. Armidex is far to weak for you if you have a history of swollen nips. I would recommend AIFM or Aromasin with the nolva.

 

[marvelous54]

She's aware that this is my first cycle. In fact she's an avid weight trainer herself and her bf is a fellow user. She said to use the liquidex religously and keep the nolva on hand I asked her about the letrozole and she said it works wonders on early - intermediate cases. Pretty much all the same advice you gave just where I told you I have gyno (as suggested by an earlier Dr.) she said it was just fat pockets. I loooked at some pics online and it's nothing similar to those guys.

 

[Mr.X]

She's aware that this is my first cycle. In fact she's an avid weight trainer herself and her bf is a fellow user. She said to use the liquidex religously and keep the nolva on hand I asked her about the letrozole and she said it works wonders on early - intermediate cases. Pretty much all the same advice you gave just where I told you I have gyno (as suggested by an earlier Dr.) she said it was just fat pockets. I loooked at some pics online and it's nothing similar to those guys.

Since she knows you use AS and gave you some good recommendations, I think you're wise to follow her directions. I'm not a medical professional, so my views are solely based on experience and knowledge of AS/diet etc...

I personally think it's gyno, probably early stages.

 

[Ulter]

She's aware that this is my first cycle. In fact she's an avid weight trainer herself and her bf is a fellow user. She said to use the liquidex religously and keep the nolva on hand I asked her about the letrozole and she said it works wonders on early - intermediate cases. Pretty much all the same advice you gave just where I told you I have gyno (as suggested by an earlier Dr.) she said it was just fat pockets. I loooked at some pics online and it's nothing similar to those guys.

I am guessing she doesn't know what aromasin is. Most people off the boards have only heard about liquidex because it's been around so long. So they are unaware of the other AI's. It's truly too weak for men on cycles. Ask her what she knows about Aromasin. What's popular or common knowledge isn't always what's best, particularly in your situation.

 

[Mr.X]

marvelous54, if you ask her about something, ask her about letrozle (femara) it's the most effective combo with nolva for getting rid of gyno.

 

[Ulter]

The only place letro belongs is a seminary or monestary.

 

[Mr.X]

The only place letro belongs is a seminary or monestary.

I disagree. Letrozole + nolvadex has been proven by many people to be a very potent anti-gyno combination.

 

[Ulter]

Letro was never designed for men and it not prescribed for men. With good reason.
Letro will kill your libido and drop your e levels way too low.

 

[Mr.X]

Letro was never designed for men and it not prescribed for men. With good reason.
Letro will kill your libido and drop your e levels way too low.

Trenbolone (finaplix) was designed for cattle (livestock), EQUIPOISE (EQ) was designed for horses, but bodybuilders use these products all the time. The reality is that Arimidex and letrozole (Femara) are very effective anti-estrogens for men, it's just they don't agree with the products you have to sell.

Aromasin was made for women too, so? you still promote it.

Bro, stay on the topic, Nolvadex + letrozole are superior to any combination of products as a cure for gyno.

 

[Ulter]

Oh brother, what does tren and eq have to do with this thread. And you're telling me to stay on topic? Just repeating the wrong information over and over about arimidex and letro will never make it true. Just because you give that patented arimidex answer to 500 people doesn't mean it's good advice.

Welcome to 2006. Doctor's prescribe AI's to men now. There are gyno treatment protocols using AI's. Letro is not one of them. I understand that it's strong. It's effective. But it's more than any man needs. And it WON'T CURE GYNO as you've just posted it would.

People get excited because you answer 500 posts in a week, but most of them are wrong.

 

[Quiltie]

There's a big difference between Arimidex and Femara. Femara is an "irreversable inactivator that has been shown to downregulate beta receptors" or something like that (macroph69 wrote about that at some point, I think) whereas Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor. I don't want to get in the middle, but it seems to me that short term the Arimidex would have a more subtle effect, and the Femara would stop the gyno cold from the get-go. Longer term there is a concern that femara would depress levels too much, I would definitely not use it for an extended period myself. .. Please, no mod attacks

 

[Mr.X]

Oh brother, what does tren and eq have to do with this thread. And you're telling me to stay on topic? Just repeating the wrong information over and over about arimidex and letro will never make it true. Just because you give that patented arimidex answer to 500 people doesn't mean it's good advice.

I made a simple analogy between your claims about "AIs" for women and EQ / Tren for horses and cattle.

You're saying arimidex, letrozole and aromasin are somehow "bad" for men because they were originally made for women. That's ludicrous. These products have been time-tested and proven to work extremely well for men. Just because topical ATD (AIFM) is not selling well, it doesn't mean all other anti-estrogens are bad.

Welcome to 2006. Doctor's prescribe AI's to men now. There are gyno treatment protocols using AI's. Letro is not one of them. I understand that it's strong. It's effective. But it's more than any man needs. And it WON'T CURE GYNO as you've just posted it would.

I beg to differ. The user response to the Letrozole + nolvadex combination has been great. 8 out of 10 people that have taken the combination have seen their gyno disappear or decrease in size. You can make any false claims that you want, but the truth is right that in front of you - user reviews. Granted, it's not going to work for everyone, it is still a very effective combination for gyno treatment.

People get excited because you answer 500 posts in a week, but most of them are wrong.

Yes, they are all wrong (go all the way while you're at it)...I guess you're the only one right on this whole forum.

 

[Mr.X]

There's a big difference between Arimidex and Femara. Femara is an "irreversable inactivator that has been shown to downregulate beta receptors" or something like that (macroph69 wrote about that at some point, I think) whereas Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor. :

letrozole (femara), arimidex and aromasin are all aromatase inhibitors.

 

[Mr.X]

There's a big difference between Arimidex and Femara. Femara is an "irreversable inactivator that has been shown to downregulate beta receptors" or something like that (macroph69 wrote about that at some point, I think) whereas Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor. I don't want to get in the middle, but it seems to me that short term the Arimidex would have a more subtle effect, and the Femara would stop the gyno cold from the get-go. Longer term there is a concern that femara would depress levels too much, I would definitely not use it for an extended period myself. .. Please, no mod attacks

here is a repost of something I had up a few days ago:


Aromasin is a type I AI (suicidal AI) - it binds aromatase irreversibly.

Arimidex and letrozole are class II AIs, which work by competitive inhibition of aromatase.

 

[Ulter]

Just because topical ATD (AIFM) is not selling well, it doesn't mean all other anti-estrogens are bad.

Now you're just being stupid. 1. sales for AIFM are way over any projects we had for it 2. I was suggesting Aromasin

I beg to differ. The user response to the Letrozole + nolvadex combination has been great. 8 out of 10 people that have taken the combination have seen their gyno disappear or decrease in size. You can make any false claims that you want, but the truth is right that in front of you - user reviews.

False claims about what? Are you high again? I said that the medical community has gyno treatment protocols that include AI's now but they don't include Letro.
YOU are the one who made the ridiculous FALSE CLAIM that nolva/letro CURES GYNO.
You're ego is clouding your judgment again.

8 out of 10 Nolva users would get "some" reduction whether they used it alone or with letro. All the letro does is kill their libido and dry out their joints. It adds nothing that Aromasin doesn't do with Nolva for gyno.

 

[Mr.X]

Now you're just being stupid. 1. sales for AIFM are way over any projects we had for it 2. I was suggesting Aromasin.

With the recent user reviews on your topical ATD (aifm), I highly doubt the product is selling - no matter the claims you make. Maybe I'm wrong, with all the false marketing it might just be flying off the shelves.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463733

The only reason you 'recommend' aromasin is because you're comparing topical ATD (aifm) to aromasin in all your posts. Thus, it's only a logical step to suggest a real pharmaceutical product like aromasin and say AIFM is just as good - so use it - nice marketing approach.

False claims about what? Are you high again? I said that the medical community has gyno treatment protocols that include AI's now but they don't include Letro. .

Have you gotten a prescription for Aromasin from a regular doctor in the US for gyno? I sure as heck haven't seen members or clients of mine that have been able to get a prescription for a drug that's been designed to treat breast cancer in post-menopausal women - in order to use it for gyno treatment. In fact, members here have stated that the doctor told them he can't prescribe a drug that treats cancer for their gynecomastia. Just as a side note, about 5 years ago, I personally tried to get Arimidex prescribed, it was a no go.

YOU are the one who made the ridiculous FALSE CLAIM that nolva/letro CURES GYNO.
You're ego is clouding your judgment again. .

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):27-34. Aromatase overexpression transgenic mice model: cell type specific expression and use of letrozole to abrogate mammary hyperplasia without affecting normal physiology.

Mandava U, Kirma N, Tekmal RR.

Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics, Emory University, 4217 Woodruff Memorial Building, 1639 Pierce Drive, Atlanta, GA 30322-4710, USA.

Our recent studies have shown that overexpression of aromatase results in increased tissue estrogenic activity and induction of hyperplastic and dysplastic lesions in female mammary glands and gynecomastia and testicular cancer in male aromatase transgenic mice. Both aromatase mRNA and protein are overexpressed in transgenic mammary glands and its expression is not limited to epithelial cells. However, it is more in epithelial than in stromal cells.Our results also indicate aromatase overexpression-induced changes in mammary glands can be abrogated [destroyed] with very low concentrations of the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole. Low concentration of letrozole had no effect on normal physiology as indicated by no significant change in the circulating levels of estradiol and follicle stimulating hormone as well as no change in estrogen responsive genes such as the progesterone receptor and lactoferrin in the uterine tissue. These observations indicate that the expression of aromatase in both epithelial and stromal cells can influence the complex interactions of biochemical pathways leading to mammary carcinogenesis and that the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole can be used as chemopreventive agents without affecting normal physiology.

8 out of 10 Nolva users would get "some" reduction whether they used it alone or with letro. All the letro does is kill their libido and dry out their joints. It adds nothing that Aromasin doesn't do with Nolva for gyno.

Unfortunately, I've seen people try nolvadex for 6 months with no results, or very little gyno shrinkage - me included; however, the same people achieve gynecomastia size reduction within 4-6 weeks with the letrozole + nolvadex combination.

 

[Ulter]

You're hilarious hahahahahahaha
Did you even read or understand that study? You're posting a study about transgenic mice? You're kidding right?

I got my first script for arimidex in 2001 and refilled it for 3 years. Anyone can who has an endo that knows the bleeding edge of his field. You're posting like it's illegal or impossible. That's again just stupid. Men get scripts for Nolva and AI's for gyno all the time. You need a new endocrinologist.

You may have seen people try nolva without success. But you are not a medical professional nor a researcher who knows this subject.

Breast. 2004 Feb;13(1):61-5.


Management of physiological gynaecomastia with tamoxifen.

Khan HN, Rampaul R, Blamey RW.

Professorial Unit of Surgery, Department of Surgery, Nottingham City Hospital, Nottingham NG5 1PB, UK. [email protected]

AIMS: We aimed to confirm suggestions that tamoxifen therapy alone may resolve physiological gynaecomastia. METHODS: A prospective audit of the outcome of tamoxifen routinely given to men with physiological gynaecomastia was carried out at Nottingham. Men referred with gynaecomastia had clinical signs recorded, e.g., type (diffuse 'fatty' or retro-areolar 'lump'), size and possible aetiology. They were offered oral tamoxifen 20mg once daily for 6-12 weeks. On follow-up patients were assessed for complete resolution (CR), partial resolution where patient is satisfied with outcome (PR) or no resolution (NR). Success was either CR or PR. RESULTS: Thirty-six men accepted tamoxifen for physiological gynaecomastia. Median age was 31 (range 18-64). Tenderness was present in 25 (71%) cases. Sixteen men (45%) had 'fatty' gynaecomastia and 20 had 'lump' gynaecomastia. Tamoxifen resolved the mass in 30 patients (83.3%; CR=22, PR=8) and tenderness in 21 cases (84%; CR=0, PR=0). Lump gynaecomastia was more responsive to tamoxifen than the fatty type (100% vs. 62.5%; P=0.0041). CONCLUSIONS: Oral tamoxifen is an effective treatment for physiological gynaecomastia, especially for the lump type.

Turned out pretty well for these fellas

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I'm confused. Why can we only compare Type-I AI's with other Type-I's? Why are we only allowed to compare Aromasin with AIFM here?

Technically, the cheapest AI (in terms of how much use you'll get for the money) - is Letro, easily. I mean...I know it's a Type-II...but...why can't we compare ALL AI's? Why is the scope so narrow?

 

[Ulter]

You're confused? Didn't MrX explain it to you when he sent you a link to this thread?

Or did you just show up to be schooled by Macro again on what it says in your book?

 

[marvelous54]

Sorry about all the mess I caused fellas. I did ask her and she said neither, that one should just have it fixed surgically and then she giggled a lil (she's a cosmetic surgeon...so). After that she said she has seen letrozole work wonders on early to intermediate cases of gyno (with Nolva). She said she didn't think any loss of libido would be permanent since it's a class II AI (but she said she'd check to make sure). She hadn't heard of AIFM but said she's interested now and would check into it as well. Now everyone just calm down... I'm sure both remedies are effective in their own right.

 

[Ulter]

She's right about none of the side effects being permanent. They go away as soon as you're off for a while. Good luck

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Letro was never designed for men and it not prescribed for men. With good reason.
Letro will kill your libido and drop your e levels way too low.

Weird.

Because I found numerous studies where it was prescribed for men.

In other words...my findings on MedLine directly contradict exactly what you are stating.

Here's just a few studies proving your post to be inaccurate:


1: J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Oct;90(10):5717-22. Epub 2005 Jul 26. Related Articles, Links


Comparative assessment in young and elderly men of the gonadotropin response to aromatase inhibition.

T'Sjoen GG, Giagulli VA, Delva H, Crabbe P, De Bacquer D, Kaufman JM.

Department of Endocrinology, Ghent University Hospital, De Pintelaan 185, 9000 Ghent, Belgium. [email protected]

CONTEXT: Aging in men is associated with a decline in serum testosterone (T) levels. OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to assess whether decreased T in aging might result from increased estradiol (E2) negative feedback on gonadotropin secretion. DESIGN AND SETTING: We conducted a comparative intervention study (2004) in the Outpatient Endocrinology Clinic, Ghent University Hospital. PARTICIPANTS: Participants included healthy young and elderly men (n = 10 vs. 10). INTERVENTIONS: We used placebo and letrozole (2.5 mg/d) for 28 d, separated by 2 wk washout. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: We assessed changes in serum levels of free E2, LH, and FSH, free T, SHBG, and gonadotropins response to an i.v. 2.5-microg GnRH bolus. RESULTS: As assessed after 28 d of treatment, letrozole lowered E2 by 46% in the young men (P = 0.002) and 62% in the elderly men (P < 0.001). In both age groups, letrozole, but not placebo, significantly increased LH levels (339 and 323% in the young and the elderly, respectively) and T (146 and 99%, respectively) (P value of young vs. elderly was not significant). Under letrozole, peak LH response to GnRH was 152 and 52% increase from baseline in young and older men, respectively (P = 0.01). CONCLUSIONS: Aromatase inhibition markedly increased basal LH and T levels and the LH response to GnRH in both young and elderly men. The observation of similar to greater LH responses in the young compared with the elderly does not support the hypothesis that increased restraining of LH secretion by endogenous estrogens is instrumental in age-related decline of Leydig cell function.

Publication Types:
1: Expert Rev Neurother. 2005 Jan;5(1):123-7.


Aromatase inhibitors as add-on treatment for men with epilepsy.

Harden C, MacLusky NJ.

Weill Medical College of Cornell University, Comprehensive Epilepsy Center, 525 East 68th Street, Room K-615, NY 10021, USA. [email protected]

Manipulation of neurosteroids to treat epilepsy has been an area of active research. The effect of testosterone on brain excitability and seizure threshold has been mixed; the estradiol metabolite of testosterone increases brain excitability, while the reduced metabolite of testosterone, 3alpha-androstanediol, decreases brain excitability, likely through an action at the gamma-amino butyric acid A receptor. Therefore, the metabolites of testosterone produce opposite effects on brain excitability in seizure models. Aromatase is the enzyme for the conversion of testosterone to 17beta-estradiol. Aromatase inhibitors could decrease brain excitability by decreasing local estradiol levels and therefore, could be beneficial for the treatment of epilepsy. Aromatase inhibitors are US Food and Drug Administration-approved and have a long history of safe use in menopausal women with breast cancer. This review presents the results of using anastrazole in an open-label, add-on manner in a small group of men with epilepsy in order to improve seizures. The results suggested some effect on reduction of seizures and no side effects. Testosterone levels did increase, but not to above the normal range. Letrozole used in a single case was also beneficial for seizures. It was concluded that aromatase inhibitors may be a useful adjunct to the treatment of epilepsy, but habituation to the treatment may be limiting. Many men with epilepsy have low testosterone, and aromatase inhibition may be helpful in restoring levels to normal. Modulation of reproductive hormones by aromatase inhibition as well as enhancement of the 3alpha-androstanediol pathway may be an avenue of epilepsy treatment that would not produce sedative side effects, which is often a limiting factor with standard antiseizure medications. A further interesting result is that elevated follicle stimulating hormone and luteal stimulating hormone levels were associated with seizure reduction, suggesting that they may be a biomarker for a beneficial effect of aromatase inhibition on brain excitability.

PMID: 15853482 [PubMed - in process]


J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Dec;90(12):6396-402. Epub 2005 Sep 27. Related Articles, Links


Inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis with a potent aromatase inhibitor increases predicted adult height in boys with idiopathic short stature: a randomized controlled trial.

Hero M, Norjavaara E, Dunkel L.

Hospital for Children and Adolescents, University of Helsinki, Finland.

CONTEXT: In males as well as in females, estrogen is an essential regulator of bone maturation, growth plate fusion, and cessation of longitudinal growth. Therefore, an increase in predicted adult height (PAH) may be achieved in short boys by blocking estrogen biosynthesis. OBJECTIVE: We tested the hypothesis that a decrease in the rate of bone maturation and an increase in PAH can be achieved in boys with idiopathic short stature (ISS) by the method of blocking estrogen biosynthesis with an aromatase inhibitor. Secondarily, we investigated the effects of aromatase inhibition on bone mineralization. DESIGN: This was a prospective, double-blind, randomized, placebo (Pl)-controlled clinical study. SETTING: The study was performed at a university hospital out-patient clinic. PATIENTS: Thirty-one boys, aged 9.0-14.5 yr, with ISS were studied. INTERVENTION: The boys were treated with the aromatase inhibitor letrozole (Lz; 2.5 mg/d) or Pl for 2 yr. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: The main outcome measure was the change in PAH after 24 months of treatment. RESULTS: PAH increased by 5.9 cm (P < 0.0001), and height SD score for bone age increased by 0.7 SD score (P < 0.0001) in the Lz-treated boys, whereas no changes occurred in the respective measures in Pl-treated boys. Areal bone mineral density of the lumbar spine and femoral neck, assessed by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry, increased in a similar fashion in both groups during the treatment, whereas bone mineral apparent density increased only in those taking Lz (median increase, 4.3%; P = 0.009). CONCLUSIONS: Treatment with the aromatase inhibitor Lz delays bone maturation and improves PAH in boys with ISS. No adverse effects on bone mineralization were evident after 2 yr of treatment.

 

[Mr.X]

You're hilarious hahahahahahaha
Did you even read or understand that study? You're posting a study about transgenic mice? You're kidding right?

Letrozole, just like Aromasin, was originally designed to treat breast cancer in women. You know very well the studies on male subjects are limited.

I got my first script for arimidex in 2001 and refilled it for 3 years. Anyone can who has an endo that knows the bleeding edge of his field. You're posting like it's illegal or impossible. That's again just stupid. Men get scripts for Nolva and AI's for gyno all the time. You need a new endocrinologist.

You are lucky. I doubt many members here know an "endo that knows the bleeding edge of his field."

You may have seen people try nolva without success. But you are not a medical professional nor a researcher who knows this subject.

Neither are you, but you do give advice here. You're not a nutritionist, but your main business is selling people "fat-loss" products. I have over 2 decades of experience in bodybuilding, fitness, dieting and steroids. I don't make myself out to be any type of medical professional or expert - only super secret double vets of forums do that; however, I have done a lot of research and worked with many members in the bodybuilding community over the years.

Breast. 2004 Feb;13(1):61-5.
Management of physiological gynaecomastia with tamoxifen.

Khan HN, Rampaul R, Blamey RW.

Professorial Unit of Surgery, Department of Surgery, Nottingham City Hospital, Nottingham NG5 1PB, UK. [email protected]

AIMS: We aimed to confirm suggestions that tamoxifen therapy alone may resolve physiological gynaecomastia. METHODS: A prospective audit of the outcome of tamoxifen routinely given to men with physiological gynaecomastia was carried out at Nottingham. Men referred with gynaecomastia had clinical signs recorded, e.g., type (diffuse 'fatty' or retro-areolar 'lump'), size and possible aetiology. They were offered oral tamoxifen 20mg once daily for 6-12 weeks. On follow-up patients were assessed for complete resolution (CR), partial resolution where patient is satisfied with outcome (PR) or no resolution (NR). Success was either CR or PR. RESULTS: Thirty-six men accepted tamoxifen for physiological gynaecomastia. Median age was 31 (range 18-64). Tenderness was present in 25 (71%) cases. Sixteen men (45%) had 'fatty' gynaecomastia and 20 had 'lump' gynaecomastia. Tamoxifen resolved the mass in 30 patients (83.3%; CR=22, PR=8) and tenderness in 21 cases (84%; CR=0, PR=0). Lump gynaecomastia was more responsive to tamoxifen than the fatty type (100% vs. 62.5%; P=0.0041). CONCLUSIONS: Oral tamoxifen is an effective treatment for physiological gynaecomastia, especially for the lump type.

That's very good. However, I never said tamoxifen was completely ineffective. I said that Nolvadex combined with Letrozole (see my study beforehand) is the most potent combination for treating gynecomastia. There is no argument as to the potency of this combination.

 

[Mr.X]

Sorry about all the mess I caused fellas. I did ask her and she said neither, that one should just have it fixed surgically and then she giggled a lil (she's a cosmetic surgeon...so). After that she said she has seen letrozole work wonders on early to intermediate cases of gyno (with Nolva). She said she didn't think any loss of libido would be permanent since it's a class II AI (but she said she'd check to make sure). She hadn't heard of AIFM but said she's interested now and would check into it as well. Now everyone just calm down... I'm sure both remedies are effective in their own right.

None of the side-effects of letrozole are permanent.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

You're confused? Didn't MrX explain it to you when he sent you a link to this thread?

Or did you just show up to be schooled by Macro again on what it says in your book?

Actually Macro said he never read my book but he's sure it's good. Should I post the e-mail? Because thats what he said to Brian Clapp, my buisness partner, when Brian confronted him.

I don't get it...did he read my book or not? He said he knew what was in it a few months ago (before it was out)....then he said he didn't read it but was sure it was good...and now you're saying he "schooled me" on it's content? I don't get it...

Oh...wait...is schooling me "Karma Bombing" me? Or sending me PMs asking me to stop posting about Anafit products?

I love when he PMs me threats and insults....thats really schooling me (Pre-school, that is).

 

[Ulter]

Yeah I see the confusion you must suffer. I don't get it either

 

[marvelous54]

I'm not gonna take anything for it right now, she dont think its gyno, says its just stubborn fat like some peoples love handles. She said to use the YES, Clen, and cardio and in a couple months if its not gone she'll be convinced but sayd she's quite certain it will be.

 

[Ulter]

Me too bro.

BTW Our argument has nothing to do with you at all.

 

[Mr.X]

I'm not gonna take anything for it right now, she dont think its gyno, says its just stubborn fat like some peoples love handles. She said to use the YES, Clen, and cardio and in a couple months if its not gone she'll be convinced but sayd she's quite certain it will be.

That's awesome stick to the regiment and report back to us.

Don't worry, you didn't start any argument

 

[petalpusher]

I disagree. Letrozole + nolvadex has been proven by many people to be a very potent anti-gyno combination.

Mr. X,
I started this combo (40mg Nolvadex + 1.25mg femara) about a week ago. It fucking works! Nipples are doing great

 

[Mr.X]

Mr. X,
I started this combo (40mg Nolvadex + 1.25mg femara) about a week ago. It fucking works! Nipples are doing great

thanks for the feedback bro

I'm just trying to help members out, so keep me updated.

 

[Quiltie]

Thanks for the clarification X, I guess when I've read the "irreversable" language that's written into some descriptions of Letro it seemed to have a different mechanism of AI. "Irreversable" is not something you like to read right before you swallow a chemical, but I understand a bit better now. Sometimes the most productive discussions are heated ones...

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Thanks for the clarification X, I guess when I've read the "irreversable" language that's written into some descriptions of Letro it seemed to have a different mechanism of AI. "Irreversable" is not something you like to read right before you swallow a chemical, but I understand a bit better now. Sometimes the most productive discussions are heated ones...

If you want to shoot me a PM, I can direct you to the profiles I've written on those compounds. They're pretty in depth.

AG-guys "Anti-Estrogen Reportcard" is good as well....well referenced.