Nolva inhibiting my gains??

[digimon7068]

OK I'm in week 6 of test/deca/dbol. 40mg ed dbol weeks 1 - 3, 500mg AOP test blend ew and 400mg Genzyme deca ew. I've been using AIFM throughout and I started using 20mg per day of nolva at the beginning of week 4.

At this point my gains have slowed to a crawl. I got much better results last spring from 250mg ew of human grade sust (for 8 weeks) kicked off with 25mg ed of dbol weeks 1 - 4 and finished off with 25mg ed winny tabs weeks 6 - 10.

My diet is the same as it always is in the spring (high protien, moderate fat, low to moderate carbs) and I've been hitting it hard without overtraining.

What gives?? I cut my nolva dose in half today. Will this help?

 

[KD1]

Ive read that lower doesages of Nolva work really well. Maybe bump up calories and carbs also?

 

[bilter]

its not the nolva. I think the notion that nolva inhibits gains is because people typically will not gain as much weight when using nolva throughout a cycle. This is because you tend to retain less water. I take nolva with all my cycles and see no negative effects on strength gains or weight gain, but I only consider lean mass weight gain as desireable

 

[karachi183]

gains usually slow down after weeks 3-4? Are you getting leaner and or harder?

 

[digimon7068]

its not the nolva. I think the notion that nolva inhibits gains is because people typically will not gain as much weight when using nolva throughout a cycle. This is because you tend to retain less water. I take nolva with all my cycles and see no negative effects on strength gains or weight gain, but I only consider lean mass weight gain as desireable

OK. What should I be looking at then??

 

[digimon7068]

gains usually slow down after weeks 3-4? Are you getting leaner and or harder?

Actually, on the sust cycle gains didn't really take off until week 4. But, when they did, it was amazing. That was one year ago at 250mg ew. Now, I'm in week 6 of 900mg ew and the results aren't even close.

The test is definitely real. . .I'm 41 yoa and I've walking around with a chubby for the last three weeks. . .the top of my wife's head is getting flat from bouncing of the headboard so much.

Yes. I'm getting leaner but, not nearly as quickly as last spring.

Something is up, I'm just not sure what.

 

[bilter]

you stopped your dbol the week prior to starting the nolva. I suspect at this point the effects of the dbol have ceased. You are still making slow gains so I would conclude that the test, deca is taking over and your gains will increase in the next week or so. good luck

 

[Mr.X]

OK I'm in week 6 of test/deca/dbol. 40mg ed dbol weeks 1 - 3, 500mg AOP test blend ew and 400mg Genzyme deca ew. I've been using AIFM throughout and I started using 20mg per day of nolva at the beginning of week 4.

At this point my gains have slowed to a crawl. I got much better results last spring from 250mg ew of human grade sust (for 8 weeks) kicked off with 25mg ed of dbol weeks 1 - 4 and finished off with 25mg ed winny tabs weeks 6 - 10.

My diet is the same as it always is in the spring (high protien, moderate fat, low to moderate carbs) and I've been hitting it hard without overtraining.

What gives?? I cut my nolva dose in half today. Will this help?

Nolvadex hindering gains is a myth started by Dan Duchaine, the studies done on the product showed minor IGF-1 decrease and it wasn't don't on bodybuilders or even AS users for that matter. Nolvadex wont hinder your gains. If there is a problem, it's not the nolvadex.

 

[digimon7068]

Nolvadex hindering gains is a myth started by Dan Duchaine, the studies done on the product showed minor IGF-1 decrease and it wasn't don't on bodybuilders or even AS users for that matter. Nolvadex wont hinder your gains. If there is a problem, it's not the nolvadex.

OK. So answer my PM and I'll pay to get to the bottom of it and give the results to you so that you can give someone an ass-whuppin if need be.

 

[digimon7068]

Ive read that lower doesages of Nolva work really well. Maybe bump up calories and carbs also?

OK. Increasing calories today. . .A LOT. . .anything else??