no wonder iraqis hate us

[buddy28]

As an American I think this is fair. I would expect all other countries to do the same, it would be in their "best interest".

Actually, it wouldn't be in *their* best interest. It would be in *Americas* best interest. So please, don't conflate the two. You make yourself to sound more magnanimous than you really are.

I honestly cant respect your position at all Minion. That philosophy is leading us on a path to war, which is seemingly what you want.

 

[minion]

Actually, it wouldn't be in *their* best interest. It would be in *Americas* best interest. So please, don't conflate the two. You make yourself to sound more magnanimous than you really are.

I honestly cant respect your position at all Minion. That philosophy is leading us on a path to war, which is seemingly what you want.

My writing style isn't to sound "magnanimous". Or honorable, nobel or to sound pompous. I keep it to the point as not to loose the essence of my point.

This isn't a matter of philosphy. Its reality. Philosophically by design many phenomena should or should not function or exist.
When adversity rushes in on you there is no time for philosophy only strategy.

From what I read inbetween your lines I agree to some extent. There needs to be a paradigm shift an elevation of human conscience. Perhaps if we survive as a species one day we will have a utopian society. Until that day.

For the present the gods of war have spoken, "kill or be killed".

I pray it can be worked out peacefully. Sometimes prayers go unanswered.

 

[aurelius]

lololol. Ok you got me on that lol. Look, I'm just a very very very fucking proud American. I really don't hate anyone. I just don't like people talking shit about this country when their country isn't much better

No problem. I think the US, in general, is a great place to live. But that doesn´t mean you can´t be extra critical when examining it.(much more difficult to do that in Saudi Arabia)

You see, personally I hold the US (or Western Democracies) to a higher standard. When dictatorships commit atrocities what can you say, what do you expect? That´s all.

 

[aurelius]

As an American I think this is fair. I would expect all other countries to do the same, it would be in their "best interest".

What´s in your best interest today might not be tomorrow.

 

[buddy28]

When adversity rushes in on you there is no time for philosophy only strategy.

This is part of the problem. America isnt the victim. America has let itself be victimized by its own drunken sense immortality, which is now coming back to haunt the nation.

I agree. Theres no room for philosephey when events, issues and policies are seen as a disjointed series of unrelated happenings. But history has shown this repeatedly to be false.

The fatalistic attitude we adopt today will condemn the chances of our princibles guiding decisions of tomorrow.

From what I read inbetween your lines I agree to some extent. There needs to be a paradigm shift an elevation of human conscience. Perhaps if we survive as a species one day we will have a utopian society. Until that day.

For the present the gods of war have spoken, "kill or be killed".

I pray it can be worked out peacefully. Sometimes prayers go unanswered.

I agree. Its probably going to take Gods help to get us out of this. However, the paradigm shift we chose to embrace, either having divine orgins or not, must manifest itself beginging in the individual.

 

[minion]

What´s in your best interest today might not be tomorrow.

Unless your omnipresent, which no one is.
Welcome to the human condition.

 

[minion]

This is part of the problem. America isnt the victim. America has let itself be victimized by its own drunken sense immortality, which is now coming back to haunt the nation.

I agree. Theres no room for philosephey when events, issues and policies are seen as a disjointed series of unrelated happenings. But history has shown this repeatedly to be false.

The fatalistic attitude we adopt today will condemn the chances of our princibles guiding the decisions of tomorrow.

I agree. Its probably going to take Gods help to get us out of this. However, the paradigm shift we chose to embrace, either having divine orgins or not, must manifest itself beginging in the individual.

Alright, allow me to try a different approach.
Have you seen the movie Seven? (Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt)
If you have seen the movie to the end? What would you have done in detective David Mills shoes?

This thread is essentially about a paradox. "The paradox that standing is more tiring than walking."

 

[aurelius]

Unless your omnipresent, which no one is.
Welcome to the human condition.

I don´t believe that all repercussions from a given policy decision are unforseeable, as the above reply appears to say.

 

[buddy28]

Minion,

Likening David Mills act of vengeance to Americas loss on sept 11th cannot be compared because the circumstances which surround the losses of both parties are different.

David Mills never provoked the serial killer to murder his wife. America has provocated and played the role of antagonizer in Muslim countries over the past several decades which significantly influenced the development of extreme anti American sentiment while providing motivation for Islamic terrorists to carry out sept 11th attacks.


David Mills was blameless for his wifes death. Therefore, exacting retribution for his wifes death was justified under moral law. The American Government, to a large degree, is to blame for the sept 11th attacks by maliciously manipulating the affairs of sovereign Muslim states, often resulting in death of innocent Muslim civilian life. Therefore, the US Government is in no position to don the cloak of moral indigence when its condoned, approved, and financed the very activities it now claims to abhor when exacted on itself. Its called hypocrisy.

Ironically, David Mills gets taking away in the cop car at the end of the movie.

There are repercussions to the actions we take. We're not animals. We have the choice to exercise restraint or not. America is not the victim. Your conveniently looking at history through a fragmented paradigm which considers events only recent enough to pull no relationship between historical US foreign policy and the gestation and widespread adoption of militant Islamic sects.

 

[spongebob]

Everyone else takes a backseat to American interests, huh?


Sponge, in case you havent noticed, that ethnocentric philosphy used to guide US foreign policy formation is the exact reason why America got itself into this mess in the first place.

Just keep on hitting urselves in the foot.

im not saying that. i said we should conduct our foreign policy accordingly(in the interest of the US and foreign countries together) without taking into consideration that some madman may not agree with it.

again your comment about just keep on hitting yourselfs in the foot is irrelevant here. we do not change our policies acorrding to what madmen want. there is always going to be a price to pay for our involvement around the world. thats the arguement, should we start to limit our involvement? if we did would we have another hitler? he was left alone untill it was too late.