no wonder iraqis hate us

[buddy28]

I don´t believe that all repercussions from a given policy decision are unforseeable,

hes right. Its called human nature. when people get stepped on they unite and fight back. Ironic many Americans beleive nationally unity prompted by exposure to an external threat is somehow an 'American phenomenon'.


The American Government expected eventual foriegn retaliation all along. I wouldnt be surprised if they just didnt care, or even worse, consciously incited it so they could outwardly justify invading and occupying middle eastern countries when they eventually fought back.

Think about that. Thats probably exactly whats going on. Its not like they actually give a fuck about foreign life. Its probably the United States 50 year plan. Push everyone hard enough until they fight back, then crush them to the ground and take their resources.

What a joke.

 

[spongebob]

However, the ruling Saudi Monarchy is unrepresentative of the domestic populace, who only occupy a position of leadership largely because of their reliance on US economic and political 'assistence'. So theyre really no authority on the matter either.

Whats the global champion of human rights and freedoms doing supporting a corrupt undemocratic regime with a dismal human rights record anyway?

maybe so, but we were allowed to be there for the gulf war.

oil. plain and simple. with 2/3 of the proven crude oil reserves in the world, it must be the oil.

 

[casavant]

The day the US will attack either Saudi Arabia or China I will respect them.

Where did you say you were from again?


Playin' man, playin'...

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Think about that. Thats probably exactly whats going on. Its not like they actually give a fuck about foreign life. Its probably the United States 50 year plan. Push everyone hard enough until they fight back, then crush them to the ground and take their resources.

What a joke.

Survival of the fittest.....sounds like a great plan to me.

And you are probably right about not caring about foreign life. I know I sure as hell do not.

 

[buddy28]

we do not change our policies acorrding to what madmen want.

this is what i was referring too. Its not just one lone madman who wants America out. Arguably, the majority of the Saudi populace wants America out.


The Saudi Monarchy has been channeling hundreds of millions of dollars to the Winebbi?! miltant Islamic sect to deter them from overthrowing the Saudi monarchy. the Winnebi sect couldnt establish the political legitmacy necessary to overthrow the house of Fahd unless they enjoyed the majority support of the Saudi populace. So unless these extremist Islamic sect holds alot of weight with the Saudi poplace, they wouldnt be getting all this money from the House of Fahd to deter them from overthrowing the Saudi monarchy. and the winnebi sect, last time i checked, was a hardline Islamic sect = anti american.

perhaps someone can post some links. Ill look for some later.

 

[buddy28]

maybe so, but we were allowed to be there for the gulf war.

And now that domestic political support for the Saudi monarchy is detoriating and their legitmacy is buckeling, King Fahd is refusing any American military offensive launched from Saudi soil because it will further jepordize his monarchys capricous grip on power.

oil. plain and simple. with 2/3 of the proven crude oil reserves in the world, it must be the oil.

and your ok with that?

 

[buddy28]

And you are probably right about not caring about foreign life. I know I sure as hell do not.

Good for you.

 

[buddy28]

should we start to limit our involvement? if we did would we have another hitler? he was left alone untill it was too late.

ok. Good point. But historically, a significant portion of United States Government involvement in Middle Eastern affairs has been underhanded, devious, and has fostered contempt and hatred for America within Muslim nations.

So the question remains, how does America exercise influence in the Middle East, which is at least semi conducive to US interests, while respecting the rights of soverign Muslim states to guide their own political, social, and economic evolution?

Or am I being too presumptious? Or do we even want to lay our cards on the table here. heh.

 

[minion]

Minion,

Likening David Mills act of vengeance to Americas loss on sept 11th cannot be compared because the circumstances which surround the losses of both parties are different.

David Mills never provoked the serial killer to murder his wife. America has provocated and played the role of antagonizer in Muslim countries over the past several decades which significantly influenced the development of extreme anti American sentiment while providing motivation for Islamic terrorists to carry out sept 11th attacks.

David Mills was blameless for his wifes death. Therefore, exacting retribution for his wifes death was justified under moral law.

Tell this to the innocent. The fatherless and motherless.
This rebuttle does nothing to convince me otherwise. If two wrongs knowingly don't make a right then I will choose to be twice as wrong. Rather than getting reduced to paint while at work. Right and wrong is a non-issue at this juncture even if it were decided unequivocally it would still be moot. The task will still be at hand.

 

[buddy28]

Tell this to the innocent. The fatherless and motherless.
This rebuttle does nothing to convince me otherwise. If two wrongs knowingly don't make a right then I will choose to be twice as wrong. Rather than getting reduced to paint while at work. Right and wrong is a non-issue at this juncture even if it were decided unequivocally it would still be moot. The task will still be at hand.

heh. Patriot to the day you die, huh?

Minion, u give lip service to the desire for peace. But your not willing to work for it.

Im trying to show you your Government is just as guilty as the sept 11th hijackers. Theyve killed. Theyve murdered. Theyve antagonized Muslim nations until they incited retaliation. Now the US is playing the forlorn victim.

You need to hate because your job requires it of you. Youve made a decision to serve your country, and now youve become of victim of its propoganda. Your mind is almost closed. But theres still hope.