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Tom Treutlein
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So, I guess it takes you so long to type and read on these forums that it takes away from all the supposed success of your training. Wow man. Just...wow.
Okay, so I can't read a lick? You said 60 yards. He said 60 feet. Divide 60 by 3 to find yards.
We're the retards? You really show your intellect by typing "hahahahahhaha" all the time.
Internet athletes, wow! Ingenious.
Oh good lord, I can't believe you bring up calling people out on their spelling errors. Remember what you said to Bam, prick? That's what started this whole thing between me and you. Hell...it's people like you that I laugh at when I see an accident on Fox and shit, you know? I mean, if I had the chance and didn't have any goals in life, I would kill you. Like. Wow. I just get happy thinking about it. People like you are the types that just need to be stripped of all their skin, and then have salt poured over their raw, pink flesh. You should just die. I hope, in all honesty, you and your entire family and anyone you know dies. Every single one of them. I hope you never procreate. Ever.
We accepted defeat? Yet you're the one who won't return to read our replies? How dumb are you? Do you box? Do you get hit in the head too much man? Fuckin' A, people like you make me sick.
Okay, so I can't read a lick? You said 60 yards. He said 60 feet. Divide 60 by 3 to find yards.
We're the retards? You really show your intellect by typing "hahahahahhaha" all the time.
Internet athletes, wow! Ingenious.
Oh good lord, I can't believe you bring up calling people out on their spelling errors. Remember what you said to Bam, prick? That's what started this whole thing between me and you. Hell...it's people like you that I laugh at when I see an accident on Fox and shit, you know? I mean, if I had the chance and didn't have any goals in life, I would kill you. Like. Wow. I just get happy thinking about it. People like you are the types that just need to be stripped of all their skin, and then have salt poured over their raw, pink flesh. You should just die. I hope, in all honesty, you and your entire family and anyone you know dies. Every single one of them. I hope you never procreate. Ever.
We accepted defeat? Yet you're the one who won't return to read our replies? How dumb are you? Do you box? Do you get hit in the head too much man? Fuckin' A, people like you make me sick.
Dangergurl
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Hi Peeps!
I actaully trained for some time in ninjitsu under Bud Malmstrum while living in Atlanta so here is my lille 2 cents:
UFC- The early UFCs had pure systems vs pure systems vs systems designed for that type of tourny.
Now you never see a person from a pure system- they all cross train like mad in competition systems.
A guy I dated that was really into it did a analysis of such after the early ones and before it morphed into ints own system ( kinda! )
The highest percentage of wins were from systems such as GJJ that specialized in that type of competition.
Next were systems such as Judo which specialized in similar types of competition.
Amoung the traditional type of systems Ninjitsu actually had the highest winning percentage- over 50%- as compared to TKD (0%), JKD (0%) Karate ( somewhere around 10%).
The truth is- ninjitsu was the only traditional system consistantly winning any matches.
This is surprising since very little of ninjitsu training is hand to hand - a vast majority of it involves weapons.DeenaC
I actaully trained for some time in ninjitsu under Bud Malmstrum while living in Atlanta so here is my lille 2 cents:
UFC- The early UFCs had pure systems vs pure systems vs systems designed for that type of tourny.
Now you never see a person from a pure system- they all cross train like mad in competition systems.
A guy I dated that was really into it did a analysis of such after the early ones and before it morphed into ints own system ( kinda! )
The highest percentage of wins were from systems such as GJJ that specialized in that type of competition.
Next were systems such as Judo which specialized in similar types of competition.
Amoung the traditional type of systems Ninjitsu actually had the highest winning percentage- over 50%- as compared to TKD (0%), JKD (0%) Karate ( somewhere around 10%).
The truth is- ninjitsu was the only traditional system consistantly winning any matches.
This is surprising since very little of ninjitsu training is hand to hand - a vast majority of it involves weapons.DeenaC
Bam
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Dangergurl said:
Hi DeenaC
Thanks for the original and honest input. Actually there is a lot of "hand to hand" training in Ninjutsu but this art unlike many takes a long time to get to the higher levels. There are no free belts here. The training was and is designed to be effective and not flashy or for competition. We do what it takes to walk away alive and no more. We always use this training for defense ONLY... No show...No competition...No ego, Just pure effective defensive tactics.
Have a great day!
DANABOLIC55
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I think you left out the fact that Gracie JJ won the finals every time in those older UFC's. Also, GJJ is older than JKD-So if JKD is traditional which it's not, than GJJ is as well. There was one JKD guy- El Tiberon. One person with no grappling experience cannot represent an entire freestyle system. Those earlier UFC's were hilarious. Guys just swinging in the air and blind charges. I'm not getting into this- go represent ninjitsu in your next local mma show-then come back and tell us how well you do.
Dangergurl
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I didn't fail to mention GJJ winning those early UFCs- I think I did state the systems designed to fight in those areas won a vast majority of their matches.
I trained for some time in BJJ, for a while even under Rickson - usually when a technique was shown it would be : do it THIS way for competition, but that would get you killed on the street- so do it THIS way for the street.
However, in ninjitsu -since very few ever compete- you never see any competition methods.
N is more akin to an ancient special forces sytem as opposed to a hand to hand system.
What would happen if say a SEAL or guy like that were to enter a MMA tourney? using just his SEAL training and nothing else?
He'd get clobbered! His SEAL training does not prepare him for that type of environment.
As a matter or fact , this happened in an earlly UFC. A guy from Iraeli special forces entered- and was easily beaten by a wrestler.
Now the question is this- if you are going to a bar fight whod ya rater have with you? The wrestler right?
Now if you are going to Afganistan to fight el Quida who do you now want with you? I'll take the Israeli special ops guy thank you!
N is far more akin to modern special ops ( who have actually adopted many ancient ninja methods ) training than just hand to hand.
BTW_ if your life is REALLY on the line, you really going to go hand to hand? Or will you be smart and try to have a weapon of some kind?
BTW2- I saw the masacre of Ninja fighter in the early UFCs mentioned.
Lets run down his EARLIER match- he fought a champion TKD fighter and easily beat him. Considering the Ninja guy had never been in competition before and the TKD guy had won hundreads of TKD matches and scores of tournys that was quite a feat.
True he lost badly to the kickboxer, who the turned into a total pussy when he faced Rorian and pretty much refused to fight.
So he wasn't that far off from making the finals- and perhaps winning even.
He ended with a 50% wining record, not fantastic but far better than any other traditional fighter has had before or since ( with the exception of other ninja fighters perhaps).
Not bad for a guy who rarely trains hand to hand and his first tourney.
I thin I'll take the ninja guy as a mate for a real combat or life and death situation over most others!DeenaC
I trained for some time in BJJ, for a while even under Rickson - usually when a technique was shown it would be : do it THIS way for competition, but that would get you killed on the street- so do it THIS way for the street.
However, in ninjitsu -since very few ever compete- you never see any competition methods.
N is more akin to an ancient special forces sytem as opposed to a hand to hand system.
What would happen if say a SEAL or guy like that were to enter a MMA tourney? using just his SEAL training and nothing else?
He'd get clobbered! His SEAL training does not prepare him for that type of environment.
As a matter or fact , this happened in an earlly UFC. A guy from Iraeli special forces entered- and was easily beaten by a wrestler.
Now the question is this- if you are going to a bar fight whod ya rater have with you? The wrestler right?
Now if you are going to Afganistan to fight el Quida who do you now want with you? I'll take the Israeli special ops guy thank you!
N is far more akin to modern special ops ( who have actually adopted many ancient ninja methods ) training than just hand to hand.
BTW_ if your life is REALLY on the line, you really going to go hand to hand? Or will you be smart and try to have a weapon of some kind?
BTW2- I saw the masacre of Ninja fighter in the early UFCs mentioned.
Lets run down his EARLIER match- he fought a champion TKD fighter and easily beat him. Considering the Ninja guy had never been in competition before and the TKD guy had won hundreads of TKD matches and scores of tournys that was quite a feat.
True he lost badly to the kickboxer, who the turned into a total pussy when he faced Rorian and pretty much refused to fight.
So he wasn't that far off from making the finals- and perhaps winning even.
He ended with a 50% wining record, not fantastic but far better than any other traditional fighter has had before or since ( with the exception of other ninja fighters perhaps).
Not bad for a guy who rarely trains hand to hand and his first tourney.
I thin I'll take the ninja guy as a mate for a real combat or life and death situation over most others!DeenaC
DANABOLIC55
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Special ops use guns.
I teach the hand to hand Navy Seal system taught by Paul Vunak- it's not ninjitsu.
http://www.fighting.net
It's Muay Thai, Filipino and BJJ(mostly)
I have a hard time believing that when you take a mma fighter out of the octagon , they lose their ability to fight. Their timing will be better, their punches faster and their ability to take a punch will be greater.
The life or death points are moot. If someone attacks you with intent to kill, it is usually sneak attack and with a gun. Even by knife, it is usually at a range where if you attempt to draw your knife, you are then cut. You are better off running away then trying to fight.
The earlier UFC's are not a good representation of how mma is now.
I respect you as a martial artist- I just don't see things the same way.
peace.
I teach the hand to hand Navy Seal system taught by Paul Vunak- it's not ninjitsu.
http://www.fighting.net
It's Muay Thai, Filipino and BJJ(mostly)
I have a hard time believing that when you take a mma fighter out of the octagon , they lose their ability to fight. Their timing will be better, their punches faster and their ability to take a punch will be greater.
The life or death points are moot. If someone attacks you with intent to kill, it is usually sneak attack and with a gun. Even by knife, it is usually at a range where if you attempt to draw your knife, you are then cut. You are better off running away then trying to fight.
The earlier UFC's are not a good representation of how mma is now.
I respect you as a martial artist- I just don't see things the same way.
peace.
Bam
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DANABOLIC55 said:
And that is ok to se things differently....
But the point Deena made is relevant, The fighters in the ring know that it is just a competition where outside the ring in a "real" life and death situation I will still maintain like I have stated in previous posts that awarness will give me the advantage. The Training we get in using the awarness that comes from a connection to the energy some call Chi is invaluable in either avoiding a deadly situation or having the advantage and walking away the winner (Survivor).
Ganryu
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