next cycle ?

[ced sauce]

hey guys im little frenchies from QC i need youre expertise to build my next cycle ..

im 21years old ''i know its young but... ''
5'7'' 165lbs at this moments around 11%

this is some cycle that im already done in the past:

test prop 300mg/week & EQ 400mg/week for 6week .. works good earned 12 lbs (167 to 179)

maybe 3 month later i made Tren E 1cc 2x/week for less than 8week ''Zero benefit'' lol

and this summer my last cycle look like: Test 300 0.5cc /EOD week 1 to 12
Npp 1cc / EOD Week 1 to 12
60mg Var each day week 8 to 12
finish with test E week 12 to 15
earned maybe 15 lbs ?? low 160 to 175-180

of course imakes a pct after each cycle with noval and clomid

SO here i am now I want to gain some real mass but be more lean as possible loll

I think used primo ? suggestion please ?? and by the way my lifting stats was not so bad..

 

[LetsGrow]

hey guys im little frenchies from QC i need youre expertise to build my next cycle ..

im 21years old ''i know its young but... ''
5'7'' 165lbs at this moments around 11%

this is some cycle that im already done in the past:

test prop 300mg/week & EQ 400mg/week for 6week .. works good earned 12 lbs (167 to 179)

maybe 3 month later i made Tren E 1cc 2x/week for less than 8week ''Zero benefit'' lol

and this summer my last cycle look like: Test 300 0.5cc /EOD week 1 to 12
Npp 1cc / EOD Week 1 to 12
60mg Var each day week 8 to 12
finish with test E week 12 to 15
earned maybe 15 lbs ?? low 160 to 175-180

of course imakes a pct after each cycle with noval and clomid

SO here i am now I want to gain some real mass but be more lean as possible loll

I think used primo ? suggestion please ?? and by the way my lifting stats was not so bad..

Sounds like you need to do a lot more research. Your pct is def no where near where it needs to be. Did you do any research when it comes to tren...? Running Nolva during pct for tren is an absolute no no. Also I have never heard anyone never getting any benefit from tren. Also if you gained 12 lbs it seems like you lost it all (again this is from lack of proper pct mostly). Do more research and honestly I would get your diet and training down and add those 12+ lbs back naturally and wait some time before you get into aas. I know you have done it before but doesn't mean it is the right thing right now. Do more research and get some more natty experience and dieting under your belt.

Sorry I know this isn't what you wanted to hear. Remember this is a marathon not a sprint.


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[NOS2.0]

Je ne pense pas que vous etes prets pour un quatrième cycle à ce point.
Vous avez 21 ans avec trois cycles complexe deja finis?
Researchez plus et plus, si vous plait.
Lisez les forums ici, ils sont les meilleurs.

 

[EZ_E]

100% agreed, you're 157 and have done 2 cycles???

Diet & training, that's all you need now...

~EZ

 

[ced sauce]

thanks for the advise !! for sure im going to keep on reading before my next cycle ..like you said LetsGrow my pct was probably bad.. since my last cycle (july) i taken down from 180 to a skinny 155-160 and then go up without gear to 175+ but more fat .. now im around 165 whit a proper diet but is look has a plateau

thank nos2.0 for the advise in french its appreciate

 

[ced sauce]

100% agreed, you're 157 and have done 2 cycles???

Diet & training, that's all you need now...

~EZ

165lbs not 157 and have done 3

 

[EZ_E]

That's even worse

~EZ

 

[Hit_the_weightS]

Letting your weight fluctuate that drastically is terrible for your health bro!


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Pain is weakness leaving the Body

 

[Ripp42]

hey guys im little frenchies from QC i need youre expertise to build my next cycle ..

im 21years old ''i know its young but... ''
5'7'' 165lbs at this moments around 11%

this is some cycle that im already done in the past:

test prop 300mg/week & EQ 400mg/week for 6week .. works good earned 12 lbs (167 to 179)

maybe 3 month later i made Tren E 1cc 2x/week for less than 8week ''Zero benefit'' lol

and this summer my last cycle look like: Test 300 0.5cc /EOD week 1 to 12
Npp 1cc / EOD Week 1 to 12
60mg Var each day week 8 to 12
finish with test E week 12 to 15
earned maybe 15 lbs ?? low 160 to 175-180

of course imakes a pct after each cycle with noval and clomid

SO here i am now I want to gain some real mass but be more lean as possible loll

I think used primo ? suggestion please ?? and by the way my lifting stats was not so bad..

I know your young and no nd to write it I can see it. Your jus putting a buch of compounds in your body not knowing what they do.

Test E 3 weeks!? Your joking right!?

Not bashing you we will help you bro but what Id like to see is diet, sleep, workout! Your 21! Your producing naturally! Imo when your at least 22 more like 24 think about jucing.

How can I say this nice???

Um...???

Look kid your gonna fuck yourself up.

 

[NOS2.0]

Ma francais n'est pas la plus bonne, mais j'espere que c'est plus facile pour vous que l'anglais.
Tout les choses que les autres disent est vrai, mauvaisment.
Si vous pouvez poster votre régime nutritif et routine exercise, plusiers personnes vont t'aider.
Ques qu'ont vos suppléments réguliers?
Visitez Needtobuildmuscle.com et Orbitnutrition.com
Quelques choses commes Need2Slin, Unleashed, Anabeta, Gear, Big Blast, BCAA, Creatine, DX-7, Vitamine C, Krill-TS, Need2Sleep.
Si vous voulez me messagez, je peut vous donnez des bonnes pointes. Où juste postez ici.
Les stéroïdes sont rarements la réponse, seulement quand vous avez atteint votre potentiel génètique, et à 165, je ne pense pas que vous êtes là maintenant. Désolé.
Nous sommes tous ici pour t'aider

 

[ced sauce]

I know your young and no nd to write it I can see it. Your jus putting a buch of compounds in your body not knowing what they do.

Test E 3 weeks!? Your joking right!?

Not bashing you we will help you bro but what Id like to see is diet, sleep, workout! Your 21! Your producing naturally! Imo when your at least 22 more like 24 think about jucing.

How can I say this nice???

Um...???

Look kid your gonna fuck yourself up.

gonna fuck myself ?? this is why im here and i take youre advise before starting anything else ..

test E for 3 weeks youre right i made it but after 12week of test 300 so .. its more like running 15week of test E because like u know test 300 contain test E ''200mg test e/ 100mg prop'' ??

thank's again body for ure help .. im gonna read more and wait before my next cycle ... maybe i would climb to the next step without aas

 

[ced sauce]

Ma francais n'est pas la plus bonne, mais j'espere que c'est plus facile pour vous que l'anglais.
Tout les choses que les autres disent est vrai, mauvaisment.
Si vous pouvez poster votre régime nutritif et routine exercise, plusiers personnes vont t'aider.
Ques qu'ont vos suppléments réguliers?
Visitez Needtobuildmuscle.com et Orbitnutrition.com
Quelques choses commes Need2Slin, Unleashed, Anabeta, Gear, Big Blast, BCAA, Creatine, DX-7, Vitamine C, Krill-TS, Need2Sleep.
Si vous voulez me messagez, je peut vous donnez des bonnes pointes. Où juste postez ici.
Les stéroïdes sont rarements la réponse, seulement quand vous avez atteint votre potentiel génètique, et à 165, je ne pense pas que vous êtes là maintenant. Désolé.
Nous sommes tous ici pour t'aider

vraiment cool de pouvoir discuter avec toi en francais bro!

my diet look like that on workouts days .. 6 meal ''6:00am - 9:15am - 12:00 - 3h30 - 6h00 - and around 9-10:00pm for the last meal

3000calories 180-200gr/protein 300gr/carbohydrates less than 100gr/fat

pyramid my carbs (more in morning)

on non-workout days 2000-2500cal 150-180gr/protein 200-250/carbs 50-75gr/fat

i take multi-vitamine and fish oil 2 time daily ..
creatine pre & post workout .. ZMA before bed ..

 

[brownbrown]

Fuck? my french is well below Par.... WTF is going on here?
Nous convient type en francais pour le mauvais english speakers??

 

[ced sauce]

Fuck? my french is well below Par.... WTF is going on here?
Nous convient type en francais pour le mauvais english speakers??

Im not sure of what u want to tell ? sorry ..c'est quoi laffaire?? t'aime pas qu'un dude me repondre en francais ou c'est ma facon d'ecrire en anglais que t'aime pas .. je voit pas en quoi sa derange ..

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

I dont speak french, but i seen a bunch of great products listed above me.... lol....

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

ill put it to you like this.. Ive done two cycles and ive got 25 lbs on you bro... im 24... 5'7''

 

[NOS2.0]

I told him that he should post his diet and workout routine, and plenty of people will help with that. Asked him his staple supps. Recommended the supps listed. Told him he can message me for setting up a supp layout. And told him the juice isnt always the answer, only when genetic potential has been accomplished.

Im going to do this in english for the others
If you are not growing on 3000cals and you are truley eating how you say you are, your training is no good.
First of all, make sure you get at least 7 hours of sleep per night. Any less and your muscles will never fully repair, and repair means growth. ZMA is shit by the way, dont waste your money on it any more. It does nothing for hormone levels like it claims and the deeper sleep wares of very quickly. Something like Need2Sleep is much more effective to put you to sleep and keep you asleep without putting you in a coma.
Secondly, Start up a 5x5 training program. There are some great layouts in the weight lifting section of the forums. Never let yourself get bored of your workouts. Limit the cardio to no more than 2 sessions per week, 30 minutes at the most per session. Train hard and lift heavy!
Thirdly, supplements. Make sure you have top quality supplements. Fish oils and multi's especially. Take 9 grams of fish oil a day spread out. this will keep your joints lubricated and keep lipid values in check. Take the multi as dosed on the bottle. Krill-TS and DX-7 are the best of their kind. Creatine, .03g per kilo of body weight. no more, no less. More causes bloat, less doesn't work. Split this dose pre and post workout. Pre work out meal is very important, 2 hours before workout have a complex carb heavy meal with some protein. Post workout meal is just as important. Immediately after training, 40g of simple carbs (juice box and fruit), this will spike insulin levels for cell uptake of glucose. 35g whey protein isolate. This provides your muscles with the protein necessary for growth and since whey isolate is very fast absorbing, it delivers protein directly to the muscles within 20 minutes. 1000mg Vitamin C post workout is very anti-catabolic. Vitamin C acts as an inhibitor to cortisol, one of the most catabolic hormones. A large handful of carrots have good complex carbs and are high in vitamin A. At nighttime, have casein protein like cottage cheese or a casein shake, mixed with sweet potatoes for very complex carbs.

Foods to eat:
EGGS!! whole eggs, not just the whites.
Sweet potato
oats
Whole milk
mixed nuts
fresh veggies, fibre is essential to clean out your digestive tract to allow the uptake of precious nutrients
Cottage cheese
carrots
peanut butter
greek yogurt
fruit
brown rice
brown pasta
brown bread (maximum 2 per day)
fish
steak
chicken and turkey
cranberry juice
4-5 liters of water
extra virgin olive oil
...And im sure I am missing things but there is a start.

 

[ced sauce]

wow!nice to speak with you.. im gonna give a try to all the list above !!!

1000mg vitamin C post workout haha ok why not ?! but i am scared about doing less cardio :S

 

[NOS2.0]

If you are 165 and want to gain, this is how you do it.
If you keep your diet very very clean, any fat gain will be very minimal.
The reason you do less cardio is to spare as much muscle as possible. Cardio burns about 75% fat and 25% muscle tissue. But when your body fat % gets lower, and your body mass is lower, it starts to burn more and more muscle, because there is little fat to burn.

 

[ced sauce]

if i start to have fat gain, can i use something like CLA ? or it is bad for my muscle mass ..

what do you think about waxy maize instead of fruit juice for my post workout shake ?

 

[Ripp42]

gonna fuck myself ?? this is why im here and i take youre advise before starting anything else ..

test E for 3 weeks youre right i made it but after 12week of test 300 so .. its more like running 15week of test E because like u know test 300 contain test E ''200mg test e/ 100mg prop'' ??

thank's again body for ure help .. im gonna read more and wait before my next cycle ... maybe i would climb to the next step without aas

Test E = Enethenate its a ester which you dont even get results from till 6-8 weeks. Test 300 tell me nothing. Suspension?, Cyp, Sus,

300 is mg and thats way too strong unless u were to inject once a week and just run that 300. What kind of test is it?

I cant even make sense out of your cyc how uve written it down.

If ur gonna do this no matter what try to type your cyc ah little better for me and ill help

 

[NOS2.0]

CLA and Waxy maize, both perfect.

 

[ced sauce]

Test E = Enethenate its a ester which you dont even get results from till 6-8 weeks. Test 300 tell me nothing. Suspension?, Cyp, Sus,

300 is mg and thats way too strong unless u were to inject once a week and just run that 300. What kind of test is it?

I cant even make sense out of your cyc how uve written it down.

If ur gonna do this no matter what try to type your cyc ah little better for me and ill help

test300 is a blend of test prop & E. 200mg of E and 100mg of prop ...

im not gonna do this .. the 3 cyc above are already done

 

[NOS2.0]

I think we should move on as well.
Ya, it was stupid to have done those cycles, but what done is done.
We should help the kid for the future, because he's not juicing again until he at least 24 right?
We'll get you on a great supplement, diet, and exercise regimen, you wont even need roids bro!