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[joe d]

1-2 40mg dbol ed
1-3 250mg test prop eod
1-3 75mg winny ed
1-4 dermacrine
3-4 150mg test prop eod
1-8 milk thistle
1-8 cycle support

adex/letro as needed

4-8 test recovery stack
4-8 post cycle
4-6 40mg nolva ed
6-8 20mg nolva ed
2 wk nothing then back on a new cycle

my goal is one big gain 10lbs in the first 2-3 wks then get off. i am running the test longer to try to curb the hard crash a little. then recover as quickly as i can to get ready for the next cycle.

this will be my 3rd cycle. from my first 2 cycles i found i am just waisting time after that first big gain. that is why im going so short.

stats:
male
5'5''
221 lbs
18-20% bf
meso/endo (if i go leaner i lose size) so dont waist your time telling me to lose fat.

at this time my goals are MASS!! MASS!!! and more MASS!!!!!!!!!

 

[brandonp005]

Interesting...keep us posted on your results...i've never seen a cycle of this nature/short.

 

[needtogetaas]

Its A blast and cruise cycle with a more natural cruise.

 

[joe d]

1-2 40mg dbol ed
1-3 250mg test prop eod
1-3 75mg winny ed
1-4 dermacrine
3-4 150mg test prop eod
1-8 milk thistle
1-8 cycle support

adex/letro as needed

4-8 test recovery stack
4-8 post cycle
4-6 40mg nolva ed
6-8 20mg nolva ed
2 wk nothing then back on a new cycle

my goal is one big gain 10lbs in the first 2-3 wks then get off. i am running the test longer to try to curb the hard crash a little. then recover as quickly as i can to get ready for the next cycle.

this will be my 3rd cycle. from my first 2 cycles i found i am just waisting time after that first big gain. that is why im going so short.

stats:
male
5'5''
221 lbs
18-20% bf
meso/endo (if i go leaner i lose size) so dont waist your time telling me to lose fat.

at this time my goals are MASS!! MASS!!! and more MASS!!!!!!!!!

another rout could be to drop the winny, adex, nolva and add tren ace, letro, and clomid. i may do that on cycle #4

no better ideas for the short cycle?

 

[needtogetaas]

another rout could be to drop the winny, adex, nolva and add tren ace, letro, and clomid. i may do that on cycle #4

no better ideas for the short cycle?

tren mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Me like

 

[Bigpimpin10]

good luck with the cycle broski keep us updated...id defiently like to know what your results were since youll only be on for 4 weeks...

 

[the_alcatraz]

Too short for my liking...I don't even run oral cycles that short...

Maybe add 4 weeks of a long ester?

 

[joe d]

ok i made a couple of changes. to the cycle and am adding hcg also.

how does this look?

first the cycle:

1-2 40mg dbol ed
1-3 250mg test prop eod
1-3 100mg tren ace eod
1-4 dermacrine
3-4 150mg test prop eod
1-8 milk thistle
1-8 cycle support

letro as needed

now the hcg. i will have 5000iu's how do i dose this?

also if i have problems and want to stop the tren could i just drop it and add the winny in its place? or should i just drop it and continue without it? if i drop the tren and dont add winny i will run the dbol another wk.


4-8 test recovery stack
4-8 post cycle
4-8 clomid 50mg ed
2 wk nothing then back on a new cycle

my goal is one big gain 10lbs in the first 2-3 wks then get off. i am running the test longer to try to curb the hard crash a little. then recover as quickly as i can to get ready for the next cycle.

this will be my 3rd cycle. from my first 2 cycles i found i am just waisting time after that first big gain. that is why im going so short.

stats:
male
5'5''
223 lbs
18-20% bf
meso/endo (if i go leaner i lose size) so dont waist your time telling me to lose fat.

at this time my goals are MASS!! MASS!!! and more MASS!!!!!!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

ok i made a couple of changes. to the cycle and am adding hcg also.

how does this look?

first the cycle:

1-2 40mg dbol ed
1-3 250mg test prop eod
1-3 100mg tren ace eod
1-4 dermacrine
3-4 150mg test prop eod
1-8 milk thistle
1-8 cycle support

letro as needed

now the hcg. i will have 5000iu's how do i dose this?

also if i have problems and want to stop the tren could i just drop it and add the winny in its place? or should i just drop it and continue without it? if i drop the tren and dont add winny i will run the dbol another wk.


4-8 test recovery stack
4-8 post cycle
4-8 clomid 50mg ed
2 wk nothing then back on a new cycle

my goal is one big gain 10lbs in the first 2-3 wks then get off. i am running the test longer to try to curb the hard crash a little. then recover as quickly as i can to get ready for the next cycle.

this will be my 3rd cycle. from my first 2 cycles i found i am just waisting time after that first big gain. that is why im going so short.

stats:
male
5'5''
223 lbs
18-20% bf
meso/endo (if i go leaner i lose size) so dont waist your time telling me to lose fat.

at this time my goals are MASS!! MASS!!! and more MASS!!!!!!!!!

On this cycle you would do best to use the hcg after the cycle. 4 week short ester cycles can work. I don't really like them and I think 6 weeks is best but 4 weeks can work. 2 weeks dbol is not worth it and I do not really like the combo of tren and dbol together.

I would keep all the doses the same for the whole 4 weeks. Run hcg 1000iu's eod for 10 days after the cycle then start the pct.

Keep in mind others may not like it. They may have there own twist on things, but you just got threw with running a short cycle like this. You got your good gains and then did pct and kept your gains. So this has worked for you.

Its new to most people but its pretty good. Its a small burst blast cycle with a pct cruise and then another blast after. I have seen nelson talk a lot about small cycles like this. In fact I have seen a lot of people. No one has been doing them though and now you are.

 

[joe d]

On this cycle you would do best to use the hcg after the cycle. 4 week short ester cycles can work. I don't really like them and I think 6 weeks is best but 4 weeks can work. 2 weeks dbol is not worth it and I do not really like the combo of tren and dbol together.

I would keep all the doses the same for the whole 4 weeks. Run hcg 1000iu's eod for 10 days after the cycle then start the pct.

Keep in mind others may not like it. They may have there own twist on things, but you just got threw with running a short cycle like this. You got your good gains and then did pct and kept your gains. So this has worked for you.

Its new to most people but its pretty good. Its a small burst blast cycle with a pct cruise and then another blast after. I have seen nelson talk a lot about small cycles like this. In fact I have seen a lot of people. No one has been doing them though and now you are.

thanks for your reply. do you see any other effective options for the hcg. 10 days of hcg before pct means waiting 10 more days before my next cycle (i think).

 

[needtogetaas]

thanks for your reply. do you see any other effective options for the hcg. 10 days of hcg before pct means waiting 10 more days before my next cycle (i think).

I think thats the best option. start the pct a week after the cycle is over. It will not matter if you still have a shot of hcg left.

 

[needtogetaas]

I would also not drop the winny will running the tren. Or at least run some kind of a dht with it. Remember you are pron to gyno.

 

[joe d]

that gives me more to research before i start. thank you

 

[joe d]

shit needto you are the fucking man. thank you. i would have definately had some problems. im going to leave the tren out for another cycle. i really want to try the d-bol so i will run

1-3 dbol 20mg 2x ed
1-3 winny 50mg ed
1-3 test prop 250mg eod
1-4 dermacrine ed
3-4 test prop 100mg eod
1-5 cycle support
1-5 milk thistle
3-5 hcg 1000mg eod
5-9 test recovery stack
5-9 post cycle
5-9 unleashed
5-7 nolva 20mg 2x ed
7-9 nolva 10mg 2x ed

may run a little shorter or longer depending on gains.

 

[needtogetaas]

shit needto you are the fucking man. thank you. i would have definately had some problems. im going to leave the tren out for another cycle. i really want to try the d-bol so i will run

1-3 dbol 20mg 2x ed
1-3 winny 50mg ed
1-3 test prop 250mg eod
1-4 dermacrine ed
3-4 test prop 100mg eod
1-5 cycle support
1-5 milk thistle
3-5 hcg 1000mg eod
5-9 test recovery stack
5-9 post cycle
5-9 unleashed
5-7 nolva 20mg 2x ed
7-9 nolva 10mg 2x ed

may run a little shorter or longer depending on gains.

Yes plus remember what we talked about in the program about the nolva mixed with tren?

 

[joe d]

Yes plus remember what we talked about in the program about the nolva mixed with tren?

i wasnt going to use the nolva with tren i was going to use letro and clomid if tren was in the cycle. i will probably use tren, winny, and test on the next after this one.

 

[joe d]

ok i started the cycle here it is

50mg dbol split dose ed
250 test prop eod
50mg winny ed
dermacrine ed
hcg 500iu's split dose ew
adex letro nolva clomid as needed

the cycle will end after i get my big gain.

pre pct i will run hcg 250iu's ed for a few days

pct will be

nolvadex:
60mg ed for 2wk
40mg ed for 1wk
test recovery stack
post cycle
unleashed

i pussied out of the tren again

 

[HAYEZ]

ok i started the cycle here it is

50mg dbol split dose ed
250 test prop eod
50mg winny ed
dermacrine ed
hcg 500iu's split dose ew
adex letro nolva clomid as needed

the cycle will end after i get my big gain.

pre pct i will run hcg 250iu's ed for a few days

pct will be

nolvadex:
60mg ed for 2wk
40mg ed for 1wk
test recovery stack
post cycle
unleashed

i pussied out of the tren again

looks good!good call on not putting a time limit on it and just running till gains alow!

 

[joe d]

holly shit i love the dbol. i took my first dose this morning about 3 hours before the gym. i was like a fucking monster. i warmed up and loaded um my first set of smith shoulder presses at 225 where i ecpected to get about 9 reps and instead went to 13 paused for a few breaths and hit another 8 then 4 then a hold that i thought would never end. i also had to add an extra set to each muscle group all from 1 dose of dbol. i am in love cant you tell

 

[joe d]

looks good!good call on not putting a time limit on it and just running till gains alow!

thanks hayez, yeah some jerk off a while back told me i should not put a time frame on it but i dont remember who it was.

 

[HAYEZ]

thanks hayez, yeah some jerk off a while back told me i should not put a time frame on it but i dont remember who it was. :frlol:

lmfao

 

[smtimelevi]

you should listen to needto about the hcg. using it during a short cycle could be bad if your gyno prone. I never had any gyno problems until I did this, and I wasnt using near the ammount you are.

 

[joe d]

that is a good point. i have been going back and forth with myself about that issue. i think i will wait and use it half in the last wk of my cycle and half in pre pct

 

[joe d]

the cycle is going better than expected. i can see gains already. i upped the test from 250 to 300 mg eod. im going to run the hcg 500mg ed for that last wk where i run a low dose of test only and for 4 days past then start pct.

 

[wheyman090]

yea sounds good...keep posting results