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[Musclemaker]

Kronk, listen up !!

What I meant to say is that suggesting to take nearly a gram of AS per week for a first cycle is incredibly stupid and that is exactly what you did!! 400 of Deca and 500 of test is NOT what a newbie should be doing!! Your playing with peoples health here you know!!

And I'm the idiot for pointing this out?

You were right about one thing though. I didn't read the rest of your post after the suggested first cycle of yours because I was too angry!!!!!!

So telling me to do my research does make someone look stupid. YOU!!!!!

M

 

[PARABOLAN]

the begginer stack u have mentioned is good but could be beter if u popped 7 tabs of d-ball the first 40 days!! this way u dont have to wait for week 5 to c results!! (by the way my first cycle was suspension/winny V, just so u know)....

 

[big2]

Great post for newbie's. Have a few questions...
Started 400 mg deca plus 500 mg sust 14 days back. As we don't get d-bol in India so instead got myself winni. Took 20 mg winni (ed) first week and am taking 30 mg (ed) now. Gained 12 lb in 14 days. Eating good protein/carb/fat at ratios 40/40/20 respectively.

My question is: when to start liv-52 (don't get milk thistle here).
Also is winni going to give some gains at this dose. Am going to just take this for 4 weeks and have decided to take deca / sus for 8 weeks straight.

Also you suggest about "ROGAINE"....but i understand that minoxidil (the compound that is in rogaine) will hamper in protein synthesis. Really want to save that receiding hairline....so please do answer back. Is it fine to take Rogaine.
Big2

 

[kronk]

Great post for newbie's. Have a few questions...
Started 400 mg deca plus 500 mg sust 14 days back. As we don't get d-bol in India so instead got myself winni. Took 20 mg winni (ed) first week and am taking 30 mg (ed) now. Gained 12 lb in 14 days. Eating good protein/carb/fat at ratios 40/40/20 respectively.

My question is: when to start liv-52 (don't get milk thistle here).
Also is winni going to give some gains at this dose. Am going to just take this for 4 weeks and have decided to take deca / sus for 8 weeks straight.

Also you suggest about "ROGAINE"....but i understand that minoxidil (the compound that is in rogaine) will hamper in protein synthesis. Really want to save that receiding hairline....so please do answer back. Is it fine to take Rogaine.
Big2

Great. It sounds like you diet is in order. I would start the liv-52 now, and at least run it while you are taking the winny. I usually run my liver supps the entire cycle, but with your cycle, at least run it for four weeks. Take some cranberry extract as well to help the kidneys, and drink a gallon to a gallon and a half of water ed.

The dosage that you have for winny on your first cycle is fine. I believe that I took 40mg when I first did it, but I was not stacking it as I used it for my bridge. They winny will make you real hard and give you great pumps. You will be good at that dosage, I wouldnt up it.

Hope this helps bro. Keep up the good work, and remember: Eat everything you can, eat like a horse and grow like an animal! You can cut up later!!

 

[basskiller]

Kronk, True that this is a very nice post...but the part in your sample cycle area about the 4 weeks to kick in.... This only applies to test or any other gear that has a long ester.
Now prop on the other hand kicks in within a week.

Also your clomid theropy I don't agree with. If your using a long estered drug like deca, then a lot of it will still be active into the second and third week after your last injection. So starting clomid that early with that small amount will be useless.

For the cycle you suggested, your clomid should start on the 3rd week after last shot at
300 mgs day 1
followed by 100mgs ed throughout the rest of week 1
week 2 at 50mgs ed
week3 at 50 mgs eod

If you gentlemen try to skip the clomid, not only will it take a long time to get your natural test back to par....But you take the chance of crashing and some harder then others!

Now not all will, but take it from me, it's not a pleasent experiance!
bass

 

[kronk]

Kronk, True that this is a very nice post...but the part in your sample cycle area about the 4 weeks to kick in.... This only applies to test or any other gear that has a long ester.
Now prop on the other hand kicks in within a week.

Also your clomid theropy I don't agree with. If your using a long estered drug like deca, then a lot of it will still be active into the second and third week after your last injection. So starting clomid that early with that small amount will be useless.

For the cycle you suggested, your clomid should start on the 3rd week after last shot at
300 mgs day 1
followed by 100mgs ed throughout the rest of week 1
week 2 at 50mgs ed
week3 at 50 mgs eod

If you gentlemen try to skip the clomid, not only will it take a long time to get your natural test back to par....But you take the chance of crashing and some harder then others!

Now not all will, but take it from me, it's not a pleasent experiance!
bass

Great post bass! Thats why we started this thread. So newbies have a place to go for information and so that vets can post advice like this.

The sample cycle was just that, a sample. I should have said sus or cyp of something like that on the test side, but since so many people argue about test, that is why I just said that. You are right on the money, as the Deca may take 4 weeks or so, but if using prop it would kick in about a week. I think that most newbies should start with cyp or sus, but that just my opinion. I didnt have the time to get as detaild as I would have like to, but I wanted to get this going and I was sure that other vets and people like you would chime in with advice.

Great advice bro, and you are right on the $$. As far as clomid goes, I have never seen so many people with different ideas. I posted a clomid cycle, that I got out of Anabolic 2000 I believe, for newbies. I agree with your clomid dosages, but I think it depends on what you are using and how much etc.

Bass, I respect you and thank you for your words. I am sure others bros will love to hear it and I encourage anyone with constructive thoughts to do the same.

Later,

Kronk

 

[basskiller]

I agree with a new guy starting with a long estered drug...Not as many injections to start with.

Here is a little addition to your thread as originally posted by IG
When to start your clomid!

Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 3 weeks after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration

bass

 

[robsatx]

Newbie Question? ?

I short ordered my first batch. Thanks for the tip on waiting. I do not want to assume that I will get the next batch. therefore I will wait. Please give me your opinion on Primo Depot. I read it is safe, works decent and does not have many side effects - other than the one on my pockebook.
I have had someone tell me 200 Mg per week and someone else tell me 400. I need to know so I can have the correct amount.
P.S. What is the best way to tell if they are scammers? I found the SCAM list and it is pretty cool.
I am only trying to put on 12 -14 lbs of muscle only with not "swelling". I heard that Primo has the best muscle retention of any other product.
Dazed and confused . . .

 

[Pebcak]

Great info

Big up to Kronk. Thanks for the ton of great info. I'm getting educated to do my first cycle so I've been lurking around here for a couple of weeks. Just came across this post for Newbies like me. Great info.

Anyway, I was just about to post a few questions and I'm glad I didn't because Kronk answered them most of them. Either way I think I'll make a little more effort to see if my other questions are answered in previous posts. Before I annoy the experts.

Pebcak

 

[power22]

thanksfor all the info Kronk. I've been thinking about cycling for over a year now. In a few weeks Im going to be able to get and 8 week cycle of d bol and a ten week cycle of winny. when should I start to take chlomid? Thanks again