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You guys just don't get it!!!!!!!

This is why this board has gone down the toilet!!!!!! So taking nearly a gram of AS per week is a good first cycle for the newbies out there? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard. Ever heard of going up, holding and then tapering off? Is it any wonder your balls go on vacation and you need a bra!! You guys don't even know how to take clomid!!!!

TO ALL THE NEWBIES ON THIS BOARD: Don't listen to this terrible advice!!!!!!! If you value your health and have a brain you'll listen to me.

TO ALL THE MODERATORS OF THIS BOARD: You let this crap on the board so it is YOUR fault that it isn't worth visiting more than a couple of times per year for a good laugh!!!!

IDIOTS one and all!!!!!!

MM
 
Re: You guys just don't get it!!!!!!!

Musclemaker said:
This is why this board has gone down the toilet!!!!!! So taking nearly a gram of AS per week is a good first cycle for the newbies out there? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard. Ever heard of going up, holding and then tapering off? Is it any wonder your balls go on vacation and you need a bra!! You guys don't even know how to take clomid!!!!

TO ALL THE NEWBIES ON THIS BOARD: Don't listen to this terrible advice!!!!!!! If you value your health and have a brain you'll listen to me.

TO ALL THE MODERATORS OF THIS BOARD: You let this crap on the board so it is YOUR fault that it isn't worth visiting more than a couple of times per year for a good laugh!!!!

IDIOTS one and all!!!!!!

MM

With all due respect MM, you obviously didn't read the post. There is NO way in the world I would ever tell a newbie to take a gram of test! Are you crazy? I agree that would be a very dumb thing. I am not sure what you mean by not knowing how to take clomid. The "sample" clomid instructions I put up there are very real and good advise for a newbie that isn't taking that much test.

You are telling the newbie's not to listen to advice, however, you haven't even taken the time to read the post. I don't think there is one MOD that wouldn't say this post is VERY solid advice for any newbie.

You flame me and call us all idiots, but all you did is make yourself look like one. I sure hope that you put more time in your own personal research then you did reading this post. Gee Wiz bro! Before you flame at least get your facts straight.
 
The real bodybuilders, true old timers

I consider myself even an old timer. One's who don't believe in these new age supplements. They might work but some don't have the money to buy them. These are the people who truely work to get their muscular body. People like my dad, former Overall Mr. Illinois Winner taught me and many others well. He told me the facts on steroids and even showed me pictures of old pals that suffered from some of the worst side effects. One of his best bud's even past away recently from the effects of long time juice. I know Kronk said that I was ripping on juice on a juice board but he didn't give any serious side effects or warnings. He made it sound like you have to take steroids to get big. Try telling the newbies like myself that there are alternatives. Thanks for reading. I appreciate and responses good or bad.
 
Re: The real bodybuilders, true old timers

IlliniStud85 said:
I know Kronk said that I was ripping on juice on a juice board but he didn't give any serious side effects or warnings. He made it sound like you have to take steroids to get big. Try telling the newbies like myself that there are alternatives. Thanks for reading. I appreciate and responses good or bad.

OK bro. You are once again talking out both sides of your mouth. First YOU say that all roid users are wussys, now you make it sound like I was ripping on you. Please take this b/s somewhere else and stop posting on this thread. This is here to HELP people who WANT to do juice and need the information to do it correctly so they dont mess themselves up.

If you are so die hard against juice, why the hell to you keep coming to the anabolic section of the site? I never flamed you nor did I say anything bad about you at all. I even went as far as saying I respect your opinion. I did this post to HELP newbies, not get into this kinda shit with gear bashers. If you dont like gear, DONT TAKE IT, or come to sites that are here to HELP people understand how to take them.

ONCE AGAIN Either way, I respect your opinion, and wish all the best of luck to you.

This thread is for newbies that need help, its not a thread to bash AS users, please do that somewhere else and let the newbies have a place to share information. Thanks.

P.S. I never said that you need to take steriods to get big.
Sounds like you got a personal problem bro, take it somewhere else.

P.S.S. I will post an entire thread on side effects as I have promised many I would. This stuff takes time to gather and its not like I am a mod or anything.
 
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Thanks again to my bros at se.com

Common mistakes made by NEWBIES

1. Using Excessive Dosages
When taking steroids, the more you take is not always the best way to go. Taking excessive dosages has become a huge problem with steroids today. It isn't only dangerous, but studies have shown it to be ineffective. The body can only use a limited amount of the steroid so the extra is turned into estrogen by the body.
2. Stayin On Steroids Too Long
In several cases, steroid users avoid waring signs telling them not to go on a cycle more than 8 to 12 weeks without an off period. If an off period is not taken, there is a higher chance for the negative effects of steroids to occur. If there is no off period the body does not have a chance to recover from the steroids, so more damage is done. This also is terrible for the kidneys and liver.

3. Eating Poorly
Many people ignore magazines and educators that explain eating as being an important asset to growing, but the truth is, eating healthy has a big effect on the body. When on steroids the user must comsume between 4000 and 7000 calories a day, not meaning eat only fat foods. The diet must be high in calories and protein, but low in fat.

4. Training Incorrectly
When on steroids the training must be intense and difficult. Instead of the usual weight that suits you, you must do excess weight and strenuous work for the best gains. The workout should involve the maximum weight possible, and make progress each time.

5. Not Getting Regular Blood Tests
Steroids are very dangerous and can cause great problems. Blood tests should be done often and regularly. When steroids are first taken many tests become elevated but will return to normal with in a few weeks. During the off period tests should also be done to make sure the body is recovering properly. If there is a problem with the Blood test, consult a doctor that you can trust.

6. Using The Wrong Steroids
Many athletes will increase their chances of getting negative effects when they take the wrong steroids. The strongest steroids that build more muscle mass, have the most side effects. These drugs should be avoided if possible, unless there is a reason to have an unbelievable gain. But these drugs are very toxic and I would recommend not taking them.

7. Using Counterfeits
Counterfeit steroids are a bigger problem than you would believe, there are more counterfeit steroids in the market than you would think. These steroids offer no positive gains, and some give the side effects of real steroids. Taking counterfeit steroids is like injecting poison into your body, bad effects nothing positive.
 
Newbies that are looking for AS advice arent going to take info they dont want to hear. If you start preaching to them they will get bad info from other places.
I am sure many if not all Newbies know the risks. This thread is to get them started not to warn them.
If you want to post the warnings and sides of AS use then do it. i am sure it will be a big hit on this board.
All i am saying is at least they are researching and asking and not injecting stupid shit or huge doses.
I think Kronk has given solid advise on a starting cycle and made sure that "IF" they do juice they have a good base to start with..
You are saying your Dad was a lifting in the old days. Well daym dude lots has changed since then plus the knowledge is so much better now. I bet if the juicers of then were to have the knowledge of today they would have been huge too. Even your Dad. Its alot safer know then it was then. Unless you are Stacking Huge amounts and then you know you are going to pay the price later. As in any sport if you have ever played competive sports you know you need to sacrafice later if you want results today.

Kronk should not be flamed here.

Great post Kronk keep up the GREAT work. and keep us up to date with more info as you go.
 
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What are AS and what are side effects

What are anabolic steroids?

Anabolic steroids are synthetic male hormones which enhance and repair the body tissue-building process. They are used medically to treat anemia (low red blood cell count); to control breast cancer in women; to improve weight loss due to severe illness, and to treat osteoporosis (bone loss).

Testosterone was often referred to as the "male" hormone, because it is responsible for developing some of the male characteristics such as lowering of the voice and hair growth, and because the male body produces much more of it than the female.

Testosterone, and its metabolites such as dihydrotestosterone, act in many parts of the body, producing the secondary sexual characteristics often male: balding, facial and body hair, deep voice, greater muscle bulk, thicker skin, and genital maturity. At puberty it produces acne, the growth spurt and the enlargement of the penis and testes as well as causing the fusion of the epiphyses (through its conversion to estrogens), bringing growth in height to an end. It plays some role in maintaining the sexual organs in the adult, but only a low concentration is required for this.

The normal production of testosterone in the adult male is 4 to 9mg per day. The normal plasma concentration is 22.5nmol/l, of which 97% is protein bound. Most is excreted in the urine as 17-keto steroids, but a small amount is converted to estrogen's.

Possible physical side effects:

Cancer...
Liver Damage...
Feminizing effects in males (growth of breast tissue)...
Male attributes in females (deepening of voice, excessive hair growth)...
Enlarged clitoris...
Shrunken testicles...
Limb loss...
Heart disease/heart attacks...
Physical addiction...
HIV/AIDS from the sharing of needles...
Reduced sperm count...
Impotence...
Infertility...
Baldness...
Pain and difficulty urinating...
Enlarged prostate...
Baldness...
Smaller Breast in women...
Menstrual cycle stops...
Adolescents experience premature closure of the growth plates (stunted growth)...

These are some of the physical side effects associated with steroid use. As you can see these drugs can affect the body in a very negative way. Despite all of these proven side effects people are still taking steroids. These side effects may not appear in all users at first. It is likely though with the long term usage of steroids that one or more of these side effects will occur in the user. These can be minor changes in the body and they can be extreme changes. It all depends on the dosage and duration of the usage. These are very good examples of why not to take steroids. Doctors are still discovering new side effects today, and there are still a lot of unknown problems with the newer more advanced steroids that will turn up.

Possible physiological side effects

Roid rage (extreme uncontrollable aggression due to high levels of testosterone)
Irritability..
Aggressiveness...
Depression...
Mood swings...
Altered libido...
Psychosis...
Mental addiction...

These are the psychological side effects associated with steroid use. The use of steroids can lead to a persons whole personality changing. The users testosterone levels are at amazingly high levels-so high that they become a danger to themselves and others. Users of steroids have been known to pick fights for no reason, attack family members, and kill people. With the roid rages, changes in moods, depression, and psychosis users are mentally unstable. They can harm or kill themselves, and people around them. There have been many cases of suicide and homicide related to the use of steroids. These are the side effects that should concern people the most because this no longer just involves the users, but also the people around him.
 
Holding on to your gains without steroids

Holding on to your gains without steroids by William Llewellyn

There is a line that is easily crossed in the world of steroids. It is the line between part-time moderate use and the almost never-ending consumption of the hardcore bodybuilder. When first introduced to steroids, one quickly finds that their resulting gains are not all permanent. If you loved the way you looked towards the end of that first bulking cycle, and rapidly lost a good part of your favored look after the cycle stopped, it sometimes becomes an easy choice to just do another cycle, and stay on it longer the next time.

Braggs of “just one or two cycles” soon fade. Eventually it develops into continuous steroid use, as the athlete finds it harder and harder to come off and face the loss of any aspect of his well-crafted physique. But not everyone crosses this line. For many, steroid use remains a periodic event. Occasioned perhaps by a seasonal need for cosmetic improvement, hopefully with health first in mind. If you haven’t tried steroids yet but this is the kind of use that is attractive to you, you probably are giving some thought now to just what steroids can provide you in the long run. Exactly what can you maintain after a cycle is over, without hopping right back on the drugs?

As mentioned, not all of what you gain from steroids is going to stay with you long term. I don’t think that is much of a surprise though, as I’m sure it is understood that the drugs just do not immediately and irrevocably transform your body. That of course is not to say steroids are entirely useless unless you take them all of the time. The average recreational bodybuilder can make marked changes to his physique with steroids, which can stay long after the drugs are gone. The problem lies as we wonder exactly how much we can gain and keep. There is clearly a threshold of how much muscle tissue your natural body chemistry would allow you to carry, and if you expect to far exceed that during steroid use it will not remain for a prolonged period of time after the drugs are done. Expect that almost immediately the body will enter a state where slowly but steadily the new mass will diminish. Steroids will soon be needed again if the mass is to be kept.

Natural Growth and Protein Turnover

It seems like the bigger you get, the harder it is to add new mass. Walls and plateaus become more of a regular part of training the longer you do it. Before long it is a fight to make any small improvement. The protein cycle likely plays a big part in this. The protein that makes up muscle tissue is subject to constant turnover by the body. New proteins are synthesized, and existing ones broken down. The process is constant. It also seems that this balance becomes strained the more mass we accumulate. The body reaches a point where new proteins cannot be synthesized at a rate that will allow further growth, and new muscle tissue is resisted. It is not easy to trick it to think your way, and gains proceed slowly.

Steroids allow someone to easily pass such walls and sticking points and enhance their level of muscle mass over what could possibly be achieved otherwise by boosting the ability of cells to synthesize new proteins. The balance of anabolic (tissue building) and catabolic (tissue breakdown) processes can be unnaturally shifted well in favor of the former, and for a period of time natural limits can be exceeded. But once the drugs are stopped, the old chemistry returns. If your body wants to be 160 lbs and you are bulked up to 220lb, don’t expect to stay there long. But what if we are not striving for a competitor’s physique? Perhaps we didn’t gain 60lbs and only want to hold on to maybe 10 or 15 lbs of the 20 lb or so gained this year. If the muscle gains are not unreasonable, is fighting to keep them a practical idea? Certainly, and the place to fight for them is in the post-cycle hormonal recovery period.

Post-Cycle Recovery Period

The biggest obstacle to keeping your gains after the cycle is over is going to be the post-cycle recovery period. This describes the window of time after steroids are withdrawn, and before the body has been able to restore its internal hormonal balance. The problem is that during the cycle the body detects excess hormones quickly. In an effort to counter this imbalance, the release of testosterone is drastically lowered. Because the body stops signaling the testes to produce testosterone, they become atrophied. Cell size and activity shrinks, and for a period of time they are physically less able to do their jobs. When the drugs are stopped and the stimulus comes to produce testosterone again, they can’t do it. It may take several weeks for the body to normalize after the cycle is over, sometimes months as the testes slowly catch up. The resulting window is categorized by extremely low anabolic activity, which is often unable to balance the body’s natural catabolic forces. Left unchecked, muscle mass can rapidly diminish. I don’t think I have to explain why this period of time is also commonly called the post-cycle crash.

The Problem With Tapering

Extremely common is the recommendation to slowly taper off steroid dosages at the end of each cycle in order to avoid a post-cycle crash. For example, if we were taking 800mg of testosterone enanthate weekly and 100mg Anadrol per day at the peak of a bulking run, at least 4 or 6 weeks would be spent slowly lowering that amount when we were ready to go off. The testosterone dosage would dropped by a 100 or 200 milligrams per week, and the Anadrol maybe a half a tab less daily on every seventh or tenth day. Over the course of four to six weeks, we would be hoping for a soft cushy landing back to balanced internal hormone levels as our bodies read this lowering and respond by firing up our testosterone again. The problem is that we would be expecting way too much from this type of a program. The inescapable flaw with tapering is that even relatively low levels of steroids can be suppressive to natural testosterone release. Even 100mg per week of enanthate, or 25mg per day of Anadol would lower testosterone levels. So how can we expect 6 weeks devoted to dropping intake to this point to help us? Clearly we cannot. Testosterone would not budge during the 6 weeks, and it would be a completely useless endeavor with the crash still occurring once the drugs were completely stopped. Tapering is no doubt a relic of the earlier ages of steroid use, when drugs were taken with little understanding of their actions. Today we know better, and prefer to rely on other means to help restore our natural androgen production.

Post Cycle Help

The use of HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) and an anti-estrogen such as tamoxifen (Nolvadex) or clomiphene (Clomid) is considered the most effective way to combat crashing at the end of the cycle. HCG and an anti-estrogen are both implemented first. This compound is basically injectable LH (luetinizing hormone); it mimics the natural body hormone that stimulates the release of testosterone. Typically 5000IU is given per application, once every four or five days. This is only continued for two to three weeks at maximum, no more than three or four shots total. The function of HCG is to hit the testes hard with a heavy dose of LH, in order to help shock them back into working order. The anti-estrogen is used to help block any trouble that might come if estrogen levels begin to elevate. After this the anti-estrogen is taken alone for two to three weeks. These drugs also work in a similar way to HCG, as they enhance LH output. However the anti-estrogens work by blocking receptors in the brain that trigger the negative feedback loop that halts testosterone release. Endogenous LH levels can be elevated as a result, but not exponentially. The increase is similarly notable but not unreasonable. We are hoping this will be enough to enable the body to produce a physiologically normal amount of testosterone and cushion the effect a hormonal imbalance can have on muscle mass.

Conclusion

The goal of a good post-cycle program is to minimize, potentially avoid, putting the body in a state where anabolic hormones are absent. If we can prevent this from happening, quite a bit of muscle mass can be saved instead of being rapidly lost to unbalanced hormone levels. Although tapering offers us little, fortunately we find there are a few common bodybuilding drugs that can aid us. Once the crash is dealt with and eventually balance restored, it will be up to you and your internal chemistry to see if the muscle mass is maintainable long-term. Of course I don’t have to remind you that diet and training are also very important factors. If one loses the drive to train aggressively or eat correctly, then there is that much more to fight against. But that aside, I have spoken with many recreational bodybuilders who feel that early experimentation they did with steroids has made lasting changes in the absence of these drugs. Some feel that they are able to carry around more muscle mass now than they were before trying steroids, yet continue to train naturally and have so for years. I think it is mostly just a matter of how much muscle you are looking for. If you have only dabbled with steroids and like the modest look of muscularity you have achieved, then I don’t doubt a little diligence should enable you to keep a nice physique. But if you think you are going to massively bulk up, be prepared for the hard and inevitably hopeless fight to hang on to your gains that accompanies long breaks from steroid use.


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2- Effects of chronic testosterone administration in normal men: safety and efficacy of high dosage testosterone and parallel dose-dependent suppression of luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and sperm production. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1990 Jan;70(1):282-7

3- Alteration of hormone levels in normal males given the anabolic steroid stanozolol. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1984 Jul;21(1):49-55

4- Accute stimulation of aromatization in Leydig cells by HCG in vitro. Proc Natl Acad Sci 76:4460, 1979 5- Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men. Fertil Steril 1978 Mar;29(3):320-7
 
Basics of stacking steroids by William Llewellyn

Basics of stacking steroids by William Llewellyn.

I think that this time can also be a daunting one though, as you sit and realize the endless possibilities for a steroid stack. Which combinations work best, which are wasteful? It can be very confusing, particularly if you do not understand the underlying advantages or disadvantages to mixing certain drugs. In this article I would therefore like to take a look at the basics of stacking steroids, and hopefully help the reader focus on picking among the more productive drug combinations.
Estrogenic and androgenic potency

All steroids work primarily by activating a single type of androgen receptor (AR), found in many tissues in the body, including of course skeletal muscle. Activation of this receptor in muscle tissue increases the rate of protein synthesis, which promotes growth. This mechanism is universal for all anabolic/androgenic steroids, making clear that stacking is not a necessity. All steroids do roughly the same thing in this regard and only differ in potency. However that is not to say that other factors do not play an important role in determining the overall effectiveness of a steroid cycle. When looking to assemble the appropriate stack, there are a couple of important variables to consider before combining steroids: Namely the estrogenic and androgenic potency of the cycle. Many steroids can convert to estrogen in the body, which occurs by a natural process termed aromatization. On the negative side, heightened estrogen levels in men can promote side effects such as water retention, fat deposition and gynecomastia (female breast tissue development). For this reason athletes often use estrogen maintenance drugs during higher dosed cycles with easily aromatized compounds. However estrogen also helps to support muscle growth and recovery by enhancing glucose utilization in muscle tissue(1), as well as fostering the release of growth hormone and its anabolic end product IGF-1 (insulin like growth factor I) (2). Although not key mediators of growth, both effects are certainly beneficial when looking to increase muscle mass. It is therefore may be important to include an estrogenic steroid during cycles in which bulk muscle growth is the goal. Androgenic potency is a second key factor. Although both anabolic and androgenic activity are mediated via the same receptor, certain steroids are notably more potent androgens than others. This is due to the ability of certain steroids to be converted to more potent ones in specific androgen sensitive body tissues such as the skin, scalp, liver, CNS and prostate. This occurs via the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, and is the same process in which testosterone is converted to the more potent steroid dihydrotestosterone in humans. Methyltestosterone, fluoxymesterone (Halotestin®), methandrostenolone (Dianabol) and boldenone (Equipoise®) all undergo this same process to heighten their activity. On the other hand nandrolone (and its derivatives Nilevar and Orabolin) undergo reduction to weaker form in the presence of 5-alpha reductase, making them much weaker androgens. Increased androgenic activity can bring about side effects such as oily skin/acne and male pattern hair loss during steroid therapy, which are often important concerns for athletes. However the increased androgenic activity in the CNS may also support neuromuscular system functioning and development, potentially aiding strength and tissue gains (3). In addition, it also seems to help support mood, energy, motivation and sexual functioning. Likewise highly androgenic steroids can be an important addition to a cycle when strength and mass are important. Furthermore if we use mild anabolics exclusively such as nandrolone, Nilevar and Orabolin, their low level of androgenic potency and tendency to lower endogenous testosterone (androgen) levels may cause problems in these crucial areas. Most often when decreased libido, lack of motivation or even depression is noticed during steroid use, the exclusive use of anabolics like Deca is to blame.

The three types of steroid cycles:

Bulking:

During a bulking stack sheer mass is the ultimate goal. The athlete is looking to gain as much muscle as possible, and a little extra fat or water retention is to be ignored. It can certainly be dealt with later. With this in mind a mixture of estrogenic and androgenic compounds are favored. Testosterone is really considered the basic, all-purpose and often indispensable androgen to base a bulking cycle around. If used in low to moderate doses, typically 200-400 mg weekly, the estrogenic activity of this compound may not trigger gynecomastia. Some people are more sensitive than others, so if this side effect is not becoming noticeable (pain and sensitivity to the nipple is the first sign) antiestrogens are often withheld to foster a more anabolic environment. Of course with such stacks it would be a good idea to keep some Nolvadex® close by. From here we look for something to compliment the testosterone. To do this best, the no-holds barred bulking cycle should include some form of oral steroid to balance it out. This is because oral steroids have an unbalanced effect on liver tissues because they become heavily concentrated in the organ after being administered. Since androgens are active in the liver, their relative actions may be very heightened during steroid use of this type. One important action of anabolic/androgenic steroids in the liver is to interfere with the release of the serum binding protein sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) (4). SHBG and other proteins work to bind and restrict steroids from exerting activity in the body, and bind approximately 98% of the testosterone found in the male body. At any given time only about 2% is available to interact with androgen receptors in cells. What we find with oral androgen use is that the drop in SHBG levels is much more pronounced than seen with injectable steroid therapy. Orals are likewise notably more potent at increasing the level of free (unbound) steroid hormone in the body than injectable preparations. For this reason combining an oral with an injectable, particular testosterone, can produce a very synergistic effect toward promoting muscle growth with the oral working to free up more available testosterone. For the steroid novice, a very formidable bulking cycle might consist of 400mg weekly of a long acting testosterone ester such as cypionate or enanthate, combined with 50mg of Anadrol or 25 mg of Dianabol per day. Here the results can be extremely dramatic, and in most cases the side effects within a tolerable range.

Lean muscle gain:

When looking to gain lean muscle mass estrogen becomes an important concern (5). We therefore usually omit testosterone and other highly estrogenic steroids such as Anadrol and methyltestosterone, or at least keep their dosages low and balance them with less estrogenic compounds to stop extra fat from accumulating. Good base injectable steroids include the poorly aromatized nandrolone and boldenone, as well as the non-aromatizable steroid Primobolan-Depot® (methenolone enanthate). Of the list boldenone and Dianabol are the most androgenic, however both are still much less androgenic then testosterone due to lower affinity to interact with 5-alpha reductase. Still, any added androgenic potency may be welcome in the cycle to support strength, energy, motivation and even sex drive.

Orals that mix well into such stacks include stanozolol (Winstrol®), oral Primobolan® (methenolone acetate) or Dianabol (in moderate doses). Popular combinations for lean mass gain include: nandrolone (200-400mg weekly) and Dianabol (10-20mg daily), Primobolan® 200-300mg weekly) and Dianabol (10-20mg daily), boldenone (150-300mg weekly) and Winstrol (10-20mg daily) and 300-500mg combined of nandrolone and boldenone (for the oral sensitive). In all cases a slightly stronger androgen is being balanced out by a milder anabolic. All also include some level of estrogenic activity, however not so much that we would expect noticeable fat or water weight gains.

Cutting stack:

During a cutting stack the ultimate goal is the rapid loss of body fat and the preservation of muscle tissue mass. Here we are usually not thinking about gaining, as diet and activity are more geared toward calorie restriction and increased aerobic exercise. For the extremely diligent a cutting stack will exclude all aromatizable and estrogenic steroids. The combination of Primobolan (200-300mg weekly) and Winstrol (10-20mg daily) works exceptionally well for the purpose of cutting up, as both are reliable anabolics with no estrogenic activity. We can alternately replace Winstrol with Halotestin® (10-25mg daily) or Proviron® (25-50mg daily), two potent androgens that can also not be aromatized in the body. Trenbolone is additionally sometimes used for this purpose, which is a synthetic non-aromatizable derivative of nandrolone.

The goal with all possible combinations is to shift the androgen/estrogen ratio far in favor of the former, which greatly fosters the removal of body fat. Although in some instances athletes will utilize milder estrogenic drugs like nandrolone and boldenone during a cutting cycle, or even low doses of testosterone, we should remember that estrogen works against fat loss. The lower the level of estrogen in the body, presumably the easier it is going to be to force off the unwanted subcutaneous fat. While some may still respond well to such a stack, often the sticking point to fat loss during steroid therapy is the level of estrogen. If you are having trouble, this should be one of the first things to look at. Another effective but expensive option for those who insist on using aromatizable compounds is to take a powerful anti-aromatase like Arimidex (the cost can be $10 per pill, with a single table daily for the dosage) with a androgen such as testosterone. If we block its ability to convert to estradiol in such a way, testosterone joins the list of potent fat loss agents.

In conclusion:

The subject of stacking can be a very confusing one. When you take such a large selection of drugs, and think of various ways to combine them, you end with quite the list of possibilities. We really cannot say that any one way is the most correct or effective, as there are so many variables to consider and so many productive methods to using these drugs. But clearly some drugs are more appropriately suited for certain uses than others. It was not my intention to provide you with the ultimate bulking or cutting stack in this article, but rather to convey some general advice to use when picking you next cycle. Knowing the basic principles of combining steroids can certainly save a lot of time and guesswork, particularly for the beginner who is looking to keep things simple with moderate doses and avoid the more sophisticate and side effect intensive intake regimens.

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2-Activation of the somatotropic axis by testosterone in adult males: Evidence for the role of aromatization. J Clin. Endocrinol Metab 76:1407-12 1993

3- Neural androgen receptor regulation: effects of androgen and antiandrogen. Lu S, Simon NG, Wang Y, Hu S. J Neurobiol 1999 Dec;41(4):505-12

4- Effects of Anabolic Steroids on Hormone-Binding proteins, Serum Cortisol and Serum Nonprotein-Bound Cortisol. J Clin Endocrinol 32: 232,1971.

5- Androgen and estrogen metabolism: relationship to obesity. Longcope C, Baker R, Johnston CC Jr. Metabolism 1986 Mar;35(3):235-7
 
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