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Re: No offense, but roids is the wussy way out

IlliniStud85 said:
I know that you said that everyone wants to get big fast and that's usually true. You even took your time to give us a great cycle and tips. I am new and have been working out most of my teenage years. I know you might take offense to this, but in my opinion any form of roid, legal or illegal is a waste of money, and the health risks are not worth it at all. My father is a past Mr. Illinois Overall Champion and could dominate the 50+ Tall Class easily. My father grew up in a poor family and the only thing he had to do was work for his body. He had no supplements and doesn't believe in them to this day. He would kick my ass if he saw me waste a dime at GNC or anywhere else. If you work hard enough you can achieve anything, anyone will agree with that. But steroids is just plain cheating to me. Why should a guy have to worry about growing boobs or a shrinking sack? He shouldn't, and people new to the sport have to realize that. Even though I know very little about any supplements I know the dangers and negatives of steroids. I know i'm rambling on but this is a serious issue. If you want to become a Mr. Olympia then pump all the drugs in you that you want. I myself am standing up for all the old timers and new generation of bodybuilders that know they don't need anything except time, effort, and heart, and maybe a little protein. I would appreciate any responses positive or negative. Thanks for reading.

whatever floats your boat. to each his own
 
Regardless of the "steroids are cheating" post,This is a damn fine thread for newbies and they should have this info at there finger tip so ya'll keep this bumped for Kronk and Mrs Kronkette...Just plain good ole infrormation........damn I felt like a old hick there for a minute...hahahaha:D
 
Re: No offense, but roids is the wussy way out

IlliniStud85 said:
I know that you said that everyone wants to get big fast, and that's 100% true in most cases. You even took your time to jot down a decent cycle that will allow people out there to get big. You posted some good information, but the only thing I would applaude you for is the fact that you you listed some side effects and dangers of steroid use. I am new to the board, but have been working out most of my teenage years. I know you might take offense to this, but in my opinion any form of roid supplementation, legal or illegal, is a waste of money and the health risks are not worth it at all, not to mention some of the most embarrassing side effects a man/woman can face. Why should a man have to worry about growing breasts, or having his genitals slowly shrivel away? Or a woman watch herself slowly transform into a male? They shouldn't! But because of steroids it becomes an everyday thing for juicers. "Where the hell did my dick go?!?!" "Ummm, was I born a woman?" It might sound funny but it's happening and very serious. If you work hard enough you can achieve a built body naturally, anyone will agree with that. But steroids are just plain cheating to me, I lose respect for juicers. Even though these boards are a great source of info. too many posts make it sound like you have to supplement and take steroids to get a great body. Even though I know very little about any supplements I know the dangers and negatives of steroids. I myself am standing up for all the old timers and new generation of bodybuilders that know they don't need anything except time, effort, and a proper diet and workout, and I just want everyone to realize that. I would appreciate any responses positive or negative. Thanks for reading.

LMAO! You are ripping on juice, calling users cheaters, yet you are visiting an Anabolic section of the site! LOL

Either way, I respect your opinion, and wish all the best of luck to you.

This thread is for newbies that need help, its not a thread to bash AS users, please do that somewhere else and let the newbies have a place to share information. Thanks.
 
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MORE INFO - INJECTIONS AND BRIDGING

Thanks to my friends at se.com for this. Much better detail then the one I wrote, plus more info on different sites etc.

Injection procedures

There are 4 (5) places on the body suitable for intramuscularly injections:

1. Gluteus medius/-minimus
2. Gluteus maximus
3. Deltoid
4. Vastus lateralis
(5. Rectus femoris, not recommended)

1. Gluteus medius/-minimus

This is the best place to use for intramuscularly injections. It's the most common place to inject, although most steroid users think they're injecting into the Gluteus maximus.
The Gluteus medius/-minimus does not have any large veins and nerves. It's suitable for almost any volum, from 2 ml (cc) and up. It's easy to feel the muscle when you flex your ass.


2. Gluteus maximus

This is the muscle most users think they inject into. They're not aware of the Gluteus medius/-minimus muscles above the Gluteus maximus.
The Gluteus maximus is the most risky place to inject into. If you inject to low, or to close to the middle of the buttock, you can damage the ischiasnerve or puncture the Glutea superior.


3. Deltoid

This is a safe place for smaller injections (0.5-2 ml). The safe area is small, so there's a risk of damaging the radialnerve. Imagine a triangle from the Acromion bone and down. Inject into this area. If you can't see the deltoid muscle through your skin, try to keep the injections within 1 inch (2.5 cm) beneath your Acromion bone.



4 (5). Vastus lateralis

Outer thigh. You can also use the Rectus femoris (middle thigh muscle), but the chance of hitting a nerve or vein is much bigger (not recommended).
When you inject into the Vastus lateralis, inject into the middle, outer area of the thigh.



Syringes and needles.

If you're going to inject 1 ml, use a 2 ml syringe. If you're going to inject 2 ml, use a 3-4 ml syringe. This is to make sure you get the dosage you're supposed to get. Also, most of the 1 ml syringes are thinner and longer than the 2 ml, and most of the 2 ml syringes are thinner and longer than the 3-4 ml syringes. If you're going to inject 1 ml, and use a 1 ml syringe, you have to fill it all the way up. Because of this, the total length of the syringe will be almost twice the length of a 2 ml syringe filled up with 1 ml. The longer the syringe is, the more difficult it is to inject with it.

The needle should be between 20-23 Gauge (0.6-0.9 mm), and between 1.5-2 inches. It's important that the needle is long enough to go deep into the muscle. If you use a short needle, it's a big risk that you'll inject into the fatty tissue.

Injection procedure

Clean the injection place with alcohol. Make sure the skin is dry before you penetrate the skin. If not, you will cause yourself more pain. Relax the muscle and penetrate the skin quickly. Hold the syringe like you would hold a dart. When you've pushed it all the way in, check if you've hit a vein. When you're sure you didn't hit a vein (if no blood came up in the syringe when you withdraw the pump), start to inject slowly. You should use about 10 seconds per ml you're injecting. This is to make sure you don't expand the muscle fibres to fast, and helps disperse the substance to that it doesn't leek to much. When you've injected it all, wait 10 seconds, and then pull the needle out.

Give the muscle at least 2 days off before you inject again. If you have a lot of injections, try to follow a routine like this (or part of it. You get the idea...):

Day 1: injection in the left Gluteus medius
Day 2: injection in the right Gluteus medius
Day 3: injection in the left deltoid
Day 4: injection in the right deltoid
Day 5: injection in the left Vastus lateralis
Day 6: injection in the right Vastus lateralis

Bridging

Bridging by definiton is using a mildly androgenic steroid such as Primobolan, Oxandrolone, Equipoise, or Winstrol to solidify muscle from a previous cycle and build additonal lean muscle mass. Primobolan and Oxandrolone(Anavar) are the top two candidates for bridging. Then you have Equipoise and Winstrol next. Okay the bridging options in order of popularity among bodybuilders, one more time, is Primobolan, Oxandrolone(Anavar), Equipoise, and Winstrol. Any of these four to bridge is a good choice.

Bridging is necessary to maintain and in some cases build lean body mass (muscle) during your time between cycles. The bridging technique used in conjunciton with comid will greatly minimize loss of the gained lbm (lean body mass). The bridge should be used post clomid/HCG scheduling. This way your natural test levels are back up to normal so your body has the natural ability to maintain the added muscle mass. Bridging is designed as not to effect natural test levels according to the dosaging scheduling. This is important as the affinity of your A/R receptors need to be high going into your next cycle for optimal growth.

Let's take a look at each of the choices we have to bridge, starting with Primobolan.

Primobolan should be taken 300-400mg/wk until your next cycle. This will not interfere with natural test production or lower the affinity of the A/R receptor sites. At a dosage of 300mg/wk you will maintain the lean body mass you have and solidify. Primo at a dosage of 400mg/wk will actually replace the loss water with new lean body mass. So it will actually result in a harder more ripped looked going into the next cycle. Primo is also used by many bodybuilders during a cutting cycle too. It is a very versatile supplement which is why it is the #1 choice of most for bridging.

Oxandrolone is also known as anavar. It is an excellent lean body mass builder and will boost strength levels between cycles. A lot of strength atheletes that do not wish an increase in weight use this drug. For example, a competitive athelete who by gaining wieght would put them in a higher weight class would opt for this supplement. Basketball, wrestlers, boxers, and others love this drug. Oxandrolone has a tendicy to solidify muscle, decrease water retention, and increase overall vascularity inbetween cycles. It also happend to be one of my favorites. Most would swear by it. Very good choice with little negative sideeffects. The ideal dosage is 0.125 times your bodyweight = your dosage schedule/day. Usually this is around 30-50mg/day.

Equippose is a good bridge at low dosages as it tends to interefere with natural test production. 100-200mg/wk of equipose should be sufficient to bridge without interfering with natural test levels. Anything higher and you risk interfering with natural test production and lowering the affintiy of your A/R receptor sites. Equipose will solidify already gain muscle with some new muscle growth also. It is a possiblilty of having mild adrogenic effects at high dosages, but not much. It is a pretty safe bridge just not as good as the previous two.

Winny is also a popular drug for bridging. I personally like it beeter than equipose to bridge. It produces vascular qualities that are unrivaled by most supplements. Strength and size gains are phenominal when stacked, but still good to maintain muscle inbetween cycles. It hampers natural test levels also, just like equipose. Winny dosage scheduling for a bridge is 50-100mg EOD (every other day). The usual length of a winny bridge is about 4-6 weeks as this will hamper test levels at a mininmum degree. This negates it as a top drug to bridge with because of this fact.

A final option for the more advanced bodybuilder would be bridging with insulin. Many bodybuilders report strength and weight gains while using insulin on a bridge. I too have used it for bridging and like it. I wouldn't recommend it for the inexperienced though, as it has the possibility of killing you. Yes you heard me right...DEATH!!! So if you are not absolutely sure of what you are doing stick with the four choices I gave you to bridge and you should have no problem.

As you can see bridging becomes as important as post cycle use of clomid/HCG to help maintain levels of lbm (lean body mass). Clomid/HCG therapy does this by restoring natural test levels of your body fastly when coming off cycle to minimize a crash. This greatly reduces the amount of lbm loss post cycle. Bridging further increases the lbm retained and if mastered will even add to lbm levels. With the info I gave you, you should master bridging in no time and be totally MASSIVE!!!
 
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GREAT post Kronk loads of info I'm still new to this and that post has helped alot
THANKS

PS What board are you gona post the pics on ? :p
Haven't seen you babe of a girl friend since this platinum thing came into play


M.A.S.S
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
Those tits!!.......those god damned titties!!!!

and she's a freak on top of it.......damn you Kronk.....damn you I say!!!!!!


:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:

Now that is some funny shit bro!:FRlol:
 
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