thanx guys for the advice, i hear ya, although i am a newbie i understand completely where everyone is coming from and to that I would like to say this,,, what the hell kind of idiot would pursue a source for anything illegal by flat out asking it?? would keep the advice giver from setting you up? sumthing to think about. I would like to ask that we at be allowed to continue verifying scammers,,,if i'd know about this site last summer I could have saved the money I sent to pharmasia.... is that okay?