Newbie - hrt q's

[PNW]

Hi all - first post. I've been reading a ton on this board and learned a ton so far. Thank you for that!

I recently saw a hrt doc and he wants to put me on test cyp 200mg every 10 days. It's to try to bring back my energy levels (I have that couch calling thing and feeling need for an afternoon nap), along with a decreased libido. I'm hoping this will help.

The positive side effect for me would be some increases in lean mass and a loss of some fat. How much fat mass loss and muscle gain can I expect to see after 3-4 months??? I exercise 4 days week religiously (heavy weights and cardio) and generally have a fairly clean diet (I'm roughly 12-13% bf right now). I'm currently eating about 2500 calories/day, with macros at 40 carb, 35 protein, 25 fat. (6' 1", 193 lbs)

Thanks all.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Hi all - first post. I've been reading a ton on this board and learned a ton so far. Thank you for that!

I recently saw a hrt doc and he wants to put me on test cyp 200mg every 10 days. It's to try to bring back my energy levels (I have that couch calling thing and feeling need for an afternoon nap), along with a decreased libido. I'm hoping this will help.

The positive side effect for me would be some increases in lean mass and a loss of some fat. How much fat mass loss and muscle gain can I expect to see after 3-4 months??? I exercise 4 days week religiously (heavy weights and cardio) and generally have a fairly clean diet (I'm roughly 12-13% bf right now). I'm currently eating about 2500 calories/day, with macros at 40 carb, 35 protein, 25 fat. (6' 1", 193 lbs)

Thanks all.

Moderate gains brother. You should consider throwing SARMS into the mix. I personally recommend Ostarine. The combo of that with HRT would be fire considering you have decent bf% to boot.

 

[PNW]

Moderate gains brother. You should consider throwing SARMS into the mix. I personally recommend Ostarine. The combo of that with HRT would be fire considering you have decent bf% to boot.

I guess I need to do my homework and find out what SARMS is.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I guess I need to do my homework and find out what SARMS is.

Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators. The only seek out certain receptors. They sell them at sarms1.com.

 

[Shrine1]

Sarms1 does have some great stuff. I can attest to the results sarms provides. Checkout www.evolutionary.org

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[Zyglamail]

10 days between injections is too long and I would bet money that after a while you will feel great shortly after your injection and like shit on day 8-10. I would break it up and do 100mg every 6 days. Same total dose but more frequent injections will make for more stable supply.

That being said sounds like your an avid gym goer who may have a slugging thyroid as well. The connection between sex hormone decline and a sluggish thyroid is clearly documented yet the medical community has no good way of evaluation thyroid function.

Now everytime I say the above I hear "but my labs say my thyroid is fine" and to that I ask based on what measure? Because you lab results where within the same range as 5000 other people who "appeared" healthy? Keep in mind im not saying its broken, im saying its sluggish or not performing optimally. For some reason people here easily understand the benefit of having a lab test report their serum test levels at 900 as being better than being 300. But when it comes to T3 levels they dont seem to understand that just a few tenths of a point cane make a huge difference in the way your body functions.

 

[PNW]

10 days between injections is too long and I would bet money that after a while you will feel great shortly after your injection and like shit on day 8-10. I would break it up and do 100mg every 6 days. Same total dose but more frequent injections will make for more stable supply.

That being said sounds like your an avid gym goer who may have a slugging thyroid as well. The connection between sex hormone decline and a sluggish thyroid is clearly documented yet the medical community has no good way of evaluation thyroid function.

Now everytime I say the above I hear "but my labs say my thyroid is fine" and to that I ask based on what measure? Because you lab results where within the same range as 5000 other people who "appeared" healthy? Keep in mind im not saying its broken, im saying its sluggish or not performing optimally. For some reason people here easily understand the benefit of having a lab test report their serum test levels at 900 as being better than being 300. But when it comes to T3 levels they dont seem to understand that just a few tenths of a point cane make a huge difference in the way your body functions.

Thank you. I have my test results here, but I'm unsure which one is the thyroid number (mostly acronyms on the paperwork). Any idea what it would be abbreviated to on a lab report? And what would you consider to be a sluggish thyroid number wise? Also, if it is sluggish are there ways to rev it up to function better? Could a sluggish thyroid lead to the symptoms I am experiencing?

 

[PNW]

Just did some homework ;-). My TSH level is 1.350.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Just did some homework ;-). My TSH level is 1.350.

That is solid. Some research indicates anything >2 is abnormal. How about your Ostarine research?

 

[Zyglamail]

Thank you. I have my test results here, but I'm unsure which one is the thyroid number (mostly acronyms on the paperwork). Any idea what it would be abbreviated to on a lab report? And what would you consider to be a sluggish thyroid number wise? Also, if it is sluggish are there ways to rev it up to function better? Could a sluggish thyroid lead to the symptoms I am experiencing?

TSH, T3 and T4 are the most common numbers on labs that refer to thyroid function. There are many others but those are the most commonly checked.

Whats a good number and what equals sluggish?? Thats kind of my point. T3 is the main hormone an d lab range is typically 100 - 200 ng/dL. If its below 100 the doc will say your hypothyroid, if over 200 he will say your hyperthyroid but generally speaking anywhere in between he will say you are "fine" but are you?

Very likely your "fine" in the sense that you dont have goiter, a clearly definable disease BUT is your thyroid functioning optimally? Thats a much harder question to answer since for one person a level of 125 may be optimal but for another it may be 175.

If you dont have a lot of historical data to compare your most recent results to then how do you know whats a good number for you? The answer is you dont and neither does you doc.

So what do you have to go on? Symptoms! Here is a short list but in addition a sluggish thyroid can affect other hormone levels, as in impaired fertility listed below.

•fatigue
•weight gain
•a puffy face
•cold intolerance
•joint and muscle pain
•constipation
•dry skin
•dry, thinning hair
•decreased sweating
•heavy or irregular menstrual periods and impaired fertility
•depression
•slowed heart rate

Many naturopaths will do an iodine loading test when taking on new patients. One in particular has reported that 95% of his many thousands of patients tested were deficient in iodine. Iodine is a primary component of the thyroid hormones so a shortage of it will mean your thyroid wont have the building blocks to create the hormones it needs.

Just a warning if your thinking about supplementing iodine, DO YOUR HOMEOWRK! Do not just start taking iodine or you will cause problems. For additional iodone to be used you also should get a whole slew of other nutrients and your iodine should be a specific type. You can view the sticky at the top of this forum about low T for some additional info.

At the end of the day a sluggish thyroid may not solve your low test issues but it WILL definitely help in other areas. Ive been on TRT for over 3 years now and if I had my current knowledge back then I would have held off on TRT to see if I could get my test up naturally and then if I couldnt take the TRT plunge.

 

[PNW]

TSH, T3 and T4 are the most common numbers on labs that refer to thyroid function. There are many others but those are the most commonly checked.

Whats a good number and what equals sluggish?? Thats kind of my point. T3 is the main hormone an d lab range is typically 100 - 200 ng/dL. If its below 100 the doc will say your hypothyroid, if over 200 he will say your hyperthyroid but generally speaking anywhere in between he will say you are "fine" but are you?

Very likely your "fine" in the sense that you dont have goiter, a clearly definable disease BUT is your thyroid functioning optimally? Thats a much harder question to answer since for one person a level of 125 may be optimal but for another it may be 175.

If you dont have a lot of historical data to compare your most recent results to then how do you know whats a good number for you? The answer is you dont and neither does you doc.

So what do you have to go on? Symptoms! Here is a short list but in addition a sluggish thyroid can affect other hormone levels, as in impaired fertility listed below.

•fatigue
•weight gain
•a puffy face
•cold intolerance
•joint and muscle pain
•constipation
•dry skin
•dry, thinning hair
•decreased sweating
•heavy or irregular menstrual periods and impaired fertility
•depression
•slowed heart rate

Many naturopaths will do an iodine loading test when taking on new patients. One in particular has reported that 95% of his many thousands of patients tested were deficient in iodine. Iodine is a primary component of the thyroid hormones so a shortage of it will mean your thyroid wont have the building blocks to create the hormones it needs.

Just a warning if your thinking about supplementing iodine, DO YOUR HOMEOWRK! Do not just start taking iodine or you will cause problems. For additional iodone to be used you also should get a whole slew of other nutrients and your iodine should be a specific type. You can view the sticky at the top of this forum about low T for some additional info.

At the end of the day a sluggish thyroid may not solve your low test issues but it WILL definitely help in other areas. Ive been on TRT for over 3 years now and if I had my current knowledge back then I would have held off on TRT to see if I could get my test up naturally and then if I couldnt take the TRT plunge.

Thank you again, very helpful. I have read some about iodine deficiencies and am interested in looking into that more.

Great advise...my test levels are not bad, but hrt doc said my free test was really the number to look at and for my age (41), that should be higher. I came in at 11.3 free (direct) test and should come up with treatment. My sex hormone binding glob at 66.0 which he said was high.