NEWBIE don't be afraid of Tren!!

[frorider6]

What sides did you get bro?

I got puffy nips (not no hard lumps). I tried Vitex, Nolvadex and Bromo but nothing stopped it. From what I've learned, it's a shot in the dark if you'll have these or worse problems from it. Some don't, some do.

The very fact that gyno is a real risk with this stuff is enough to tell me that it's not a newbie drug. That combined with home made preperations and daily injections seals it. It should stay an advanced drug. There are plenty of drugs out now that have controllable sides (test and arimidex) or no sides at all (anavar and I think primo).

However, I do agree with you that ALL first cycles should be of low doses.

 

[HighIntensity]

like fro said gyno and tren is a shot in the dark, you look at fros body and you would assume with his lean BF, gyno would not be a problem but since it is not extrogen related this had not effect.

Im running tren for a long 14 weeks and my nipples are fine, funny thing is weeks 1-3 they were very itchey

I started to worry, but my nips have gotten itchey with norandros before and no gyno....after week 3 all symtoms went away and I am fine.

 

[nandi12]

Realgains, I think, as usual, jboldman is the voice of reason. I really didn't intend for this to degenerate into a flame session. I think you made a lot of good points, and I'm sorry if my tone was offensive. Tamoxifen may very well help with serum lipids, and tren may be safe. Hell, I use it and have never had any problems.

My point was just to let others know that there are always two sides to any debate, by definition.

I think that presenting a point and then a counterpoint helps others to formulate their own opinions.

Let's bury the hatchet. I am sorry I offended you. By the way, I really am 47 and have been juicing for about 15 years.

Peace

 

[monkeyballs]

This has been a good discussion...
Kudos to all involved.

 

[Realgains]

I got puffy nips (not no hard lumps). I tried Vitex, Nolvadex and Bromo but nothing stopped it. From what I've learned, it's a shot in the dark if you'll have these or worse problems from it. Some don't, some do.

The very fact that gyno is a real risk with this stuff is enough to tell me that it's not a newbie drug. That combined with home made preperations and daily injections seals it. It should stay an advanced drug. There are plenty of drugs out now that have controllable sides (test and arimidex) or no sides at all (anavar and I think primo).

However, I do agree with you that ALL first cycles should be of low doses.

I am sorry that you got the puffy nips bro but if ya don't have any actual breast tissue(lumps under the nips) then I wouldn't get too concerned about it. I remember a friend of mine had puffy nips for a while way back when he was 20 or so. Never even used roids back then yet he got puffy nips....it went away in time and never progressed to gyno.

As I mentioned the chances of getting gyno from tren is VERY slim indeed yet using roids is always a bit of a crap shoot.

 

[AussieJack]

Don't take ANYBODY's word as gospel, not even the experts. Do your own research and make your own judgements. Sorry, but any time somebody tells me something is completely safe, I gotta think they are over-simplifying things.

 

[frorider6]

For a newbie, I'd recommend 1 of the following cycles:

30-40 mg ED anavar for 6-8 weeks

200-300mg single ester test per week

Possibly a stack of the above 2: 30 mg anavar ED & 200 mg test per week.

I just don't think ED injections is the best thing for a newbie, regardless of sterility issues. It's a pain in the ass and unnecessary.

And I'll always suggest "low doses" for newbies. Even though from what I've learned, a "low dose" by today's standards was once what the 70s era pros used to use. And how many of us actually look like a pro, even from the 70's-80's.

 

[Realgains]

Realgains, I think, as usual, jboldman is the voice of reason. I really didn't intend for this to degenerate into a flame session. I think you made a lot of good points, and I'm sorry if my tone was offensive. Tamoxifen may very well help with serum lipids, and tren may be safe. Hell, I use it and have never had any problems.

My point was just to let others know that there are always two sides to any debate, by definition.

I think that presenting a point and then a counterpoint helps others to formulate their own opinions.

Let's bury the hatchet. I am sorry I offended you. By the way, I really am 47 and have been juicing for about 15 years.

Peace

Thanx.... and hatchet burried.
I guess I should have made it clear that NO ROID is absolutely safe.
That siad I really do think that the 17aa orals are by far the worst as they are proven to be hard on the liver and really mess with ones cholesterol profile. The cholesterol issue and liver issue are the worst sides from roid use IMO.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Good point/counterpoints from both sides gentleman.Please,let's keep this a civilized and mature discussion,no need to hammer each other into the ground,as we're all brothers in the same cause.

Tren strengths:Multi functional compound,terrific for both mass/strength,as well as hardening up/vascularity/cutting.Has the stongest binding affinity of any steroid to the androgen receptor.Stacks extremely well from a synergism standpoint with almost any other anabolic.EXTREMELY cost effective as well.

Negatives:Can cause PGF2a-like symptoms in certain users,inducing a cough and rapid temperature rise.Is quite potent from an androgenic standpoint at shutting down H-P-T-A,and does seem to impart some prolactinemic fluid retention in the mammaries for select individuals(myself being one).I'm not entirely sure the darkened urine is indicative of renal impairment,as I have not shown anything of alarm with my bloodwork during this event,but I will stress:REGULAR blood work is a MUST,as each of us responds differently.Just my quick .02,and please,once again,let's increase our knowledge in a civilized fashion fellas and GROW together,instead of tearing each other apart

Great thread!

 

[Realgains]

For a newbie, I'd recommend 1 of the following cycles:

30-40 mg ED anavar for 6-8 weeks

200-300mg single ester test per week

Possibly a stack of the above 2: 30 mg anavar ED & 200 mg test per week.

I just don't think ED injections is the best thing for a newbie, regardless of sterility issues. It's a pain in the ass and unnecessary.

And I'll always suggest "low doses" for newbies. Even though from what I've learned, a "low dose" by today's standards was once what the 70s era pros used to use. And how many of us actually look like a pro, even from the 70's-80's.

BRO I am all for low doses but.....200 of test per week isn't much more than a replacement dose of test bro. Also, the anavar is 17aa and will mess with ones cholesterol. Oral primo would be a better choice if you could find it as it is not 17aa.

I don't like anavar except in tiny doses for females and for the power lifter, boxer or track athlete trying to stay in a weight class

Dose needed to achieve gains has a lot to do with how well developed one is before doing juice. If one has reached his natural limit while training for years clean then the dose of roid and test that you recommended will not do very much. The bro would grow a little and his strength would go up but gains would be pretty slight really. Also, even at the dose you recommended HPTA will be negatively impacted so one might as well do a little more and see better gains. I would recommend 500 of test per week for the more developed man. Test is easy on the cholesterol in moderate doses and is known to be non toxic at these doses as well. Have Nolva on hand just to be safe(gyno)

But if one has never really trained and ate hard and is NOT at his natural limit then your stack would do fine BUT I would recommend that this under developed bro learn to train and eat better and grow more as a natural before doing juice at all. You can get great gains from natural test levels if you are not yet very near your natural limit.