NEWBIE don't be afraid of Tren!!

[40butpumpin]

Did tren last cycle @ 75mg/day using Component TH converetd with A's kit. I'll never try it again. The side effects were just too bad.

Some of the side effects I got were lactating nipples, dark foamy urine (despite drinking 2 gallons water daily), very constricted throat (felt like there was a vice grip on it), and severe lung pain (thought I had pneumonia). The lung pain progressed and got so bad it hurt whenI breathed, I had to go to the doc and get chest X-Rays which turned out negative for pneumonia...also had a resting heart rate of 120bpm, stopped the fina that day and the pain eventualy went away after about 5-6 days.

I loved the results I got from tren, but the lung pain was just too much for me...never again.

Bro, do you mean you'll never try any fina again, or that particular stuff? Also, how long before you started noticing the bad sides?

 

[JG1]

Bro, do you mean you'll never try any fina again, or that particular stuff? Also, how long before you started noticing the bad sides?

Probably never try any fina again.....just too scared to try it again, I don't know, maybe a pre-made tren wouldn't cause the same side effects...I just don't know...

I started noticing the tightness in my throat within a week or two, the lung pain came at about 3-4 weeks in.

 

[Chuck T]

Did tren last cycle @ 75mg/day using Component TH converetd with A's kit. I'll never try it again. The side effects were just too bad.

Some of the side effects I got were lactating nipples, dark foamy urine (despite drinking 2 gallons water daily), very constricted throat (felt like there was a vice grip on it), and severe lung pain (thought I had pneumonia). The lung pain progressed and got so bad it hurt whenI breathed, I had to go to the doc and get chest X-Rays which turned out negative for pneumonia...also had a resting heart rate of 120bpm, stopped the fina that day and the pain eventualy went away after about 5-6 days.

I loved the results I got from tren, but the lung pain was just too much for me...never again.

This is pretty interesting b/c there was a post on here a while back saying that fina caused fat loss through an increase of ??prostaglandins?? the same way as PGF2A does but to a lesser extent. Some of your sides (constriction of throat, lung pain) sound like the sides I have read about PGF2A. Also the fact some people get a bad cough after injection just like PGF2A...The similarities between them is weird. This is the first time I have really realized the similarities. Sorry, its kinda off topic but just figured maybe some who knows more could chime in about this...

Chuck

 

[Realgains]

I also think it is irresponsible to make statements like this with absolutely no evidence to support them. There are no studies as far as I know on the effects of tren on human kidneys.

You would be doing readers a much greater service by simply directing them to the link posted by jboldman and letting them decide for themselves. The animal studies demonstrate than tren can exhibit both liver and kidney toxicity, as well as a spectrum of other deleterious effects.

The dosages used in the studies covered a broad range; some lower and some higher than what bodybuilders use.

Your linked studies are flawed as they did not take their measurements AFTER the animals had recovered HPTA activity.
The animals should have beed sacrificed at least a couple months AFTER the last shot or ingestion of tren.

Also you neglected to mention that there were a number of animal studies mentioned in the artcile that showed NO ADVERSE CHANGES.

ALSO, it is commonly know in the medical field that ALL anabolic steroids will cause changes in viseral weight, not to mention potential cardiomegaly in long term users. Trenbolone is not unigue in this respect. Your info is new in regard to tren but very OLD in regard to steroids in general.

Of course there are risks to steroid use, especially long term use. Of course it is"healthier" in many respects to avoid all steroid and tren altogether. There are dangers that all users need to be aware of as there are ways to minimize negative affect.

 

[monkeyballs]

NOBODY really ever needs any hormones other than TREN and TEST.

I was with you untill this part. Great Post...but....
Tren and test will add bulk. Lean Bulk, But still bulk. Some of us who have to deal with weight issues (classes, limitations) cannot afford to put on the bulk that would come with Tren or Test. Halo and Var absolutlely have their place, and their uses.

 

[Realgains]

I was with you untill this part. Great Post...but....
Tren and test will add bulk. Lean Bulk, But still bulk. Some of us who have to deal with weight issues (classes, limitations) cannot afford to put on the bulk that would come with Tren or Test. Halo and Var absolutlely have their place, and their uses.

Good point...I can understand that. I forgot about the power lifter and the track athlete as well as boxers etc.

 

[monkeyballs]

For skinny kids and new BB's...your probably right.

 

[Realgains]

You need to be careful trying to extrapolate the results in postmenopausal women to men.

In men lowering estrogen with aromatase inhibitors is associated with reductions in HDL but no change in LDL levels (1). The salient quote from this study is:

"We conclude that in men, physiological levels of E2 are important in maintaining plasma levels of HDL cholesterol, especially the HDL2 fraction."

Tamoxifen administration on the other hand has little effect on raising HDL levels (2). To quote from this study:

"Tamoxifen decreases serum cholesterol (S-cholesterol) level about 10% and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (S-LDL) 15-20%,but in most studies it has increased serum triglyceride levels


and had little effect on serum high-density cholesterol (S-HDL)"

I would not necessarily expect tamoxifen to offset the negative effects of aromatase inhibitors on serum HDL and LDL levels, since it seems incapable of raising the HDL lowered by blocking aromatase.


(1)J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1994 Apr;78(4):855-61

Physiological levels of estradiol stimulate plasma high density lipoprotein2 cholesterol levels in normal men.

Bagatell CJ, Knopp RH, Rivier JE, Bremner WJ.

Medical Service, Seattle Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Washington 98108.

(2)Breast Cancer Res Treat 2000 Oct;63(3):225-34

Serum lipid levels during and after adjuvant toremifene or tamoxifen therapy for breast cancer.

Joensuu H, Holli K, Oksanen H, Valavaara R.

Department of Oncology, Helsinki University Central Hospital, Finland. [email protected]

Look fella you need to look at ALL the studies before spouting off!!
In a very well know British study for example Tamoxifen was given to a group of men with known heart disease. All showed marked improvement in vascular dilitation and blood flow. Tamoxifen also decreased several other heart disease risk factors including cholesterol, fatty triglycerides, lipprotein-a and fibrinogen. Journal of the American Heart association, sarah C Clarke of the University of Cambridge. March 20

Tamoxifen is estrogen in men FOR A CERTAINTY.

Also I persoanlly have seen an increase in hdl and decrease in ldl and total cholesterol AND triglycerides while on tamoxifen.
Men of note that have aslo noted positive cahnges include the well know and respected steroid researchers Bill Roberts and Bill Llewellyn. In fact Bill Llewellyn has personally stated on this forum that Nolvadex has improved his hdl, while under the watchful eye of his doctor

Tamoxifen may reduce IGF-1 to some degree but not enough to affect gains significantly. I for on am willing to sacrifice a couple pounds for a markedly better cardiac risk profile.

 

[Realgains]

Probably never try any fina again.....just too scared to try it again, I don't know, maybe a pre-made tren wouldn't cause the same side effects...I just don't know...

I started noticing the tightness in my throat within a week or two, the lung pain came at about 3-4 weeks in.

Sounds like you had an allergic reaction to something in the mix bro......could be the tren itself but it is more likely from glue and fillers that got through. I would try it again but with lab made tren.

 

[nandi12]

Men of note that have aslo noted positive cahnges include the well know and respected steroid researchers Bill Roberts and Bill Llewellyn.

You must be joking, right? Steroid reseachers? These characters have never published a single article in a peer reviewed medical or scienticic journal.

You certainly seem to present a lot of things as facts without producing much data to back them up