NEWBIE don't be afraid of Tren!!

[gimp]

Well, for what it's worth here is how I'm doing on TREN. I'm doing 50mg/day IM. I'm using a vet preparation from France (FINABOLON EXTRA FORT 70mg/ml, anyone heard of this? from NEGMA LABS) Anyways, I'm rotating my sites daily, using clean sterile pins, I'm an RN in Canada, so, I'm adept at injections. I really haven't noticed anything yet, I'm on my 12th day, some increase in strength and I feel "bulkier" but I'm eating big , so it could be the food intake. I've not experienced any back pain or change in urine. I'm drinking about 4 litres of H2O/day.I do have terrible insomnia since I started though.I've read that most people see a difference by week# 3, is this accurate? I have no tenderness around my nipples, but I'm considering stopping the cycle due to other posts saying that the gyno only hit them in week #5. If I do decide to stop, is there any danger in stopping abruptly? Or should I just push through to week #6?

 

[Realgains]

Well, for what it's worth here is how I'm doing on TREN. I'm doing 50mg/day IM. I'm using a vet preparation from France (FINABOLON EXTRA FORT 70mg/ml, anyone heard of this? from NEGMA LABS) Anyways, I'm rotating my sites daily, using clean sterile pins, I'm an RN in Canada, so, I'm adept at injections. I really haven't noticed anything yet, I'm on my 12th day, some increase in strength and I feel "bulkier" but I'm eating big , so it could be the food intake. I've not experienced any back pain or change in urine. I'm drinking about 4 litres of H2O/day.I do have terrible insomnia since I started though.I've read that most people see a difference by week# 3, is this accurate? I have no tenderness around my nipples, but I'm considering stopping the cycle due to other posts saying that the gyno only hit them in week #5. If I do decide to stop, is there any danger in stopping abruptly? Or should I just push through to week #6?

I am an RN too and from Canada...live in the USA now though better $$ he he he .

Since you are doing tren only I would UP the dose to 75mg daily. I am wondering if Mr. Happy has gone to sleep yet........if he does and it bugs ya then get some test or proviron on board.
If your nips start to get sore then simply stop the cycle bro and you will not get gyno as the tren will clear in a few days. It is VERY RARE to get gyno from tren bro evemn though it does happen from time to time.
There is no danger in stopping tren all at once.
Yes by week three most see a dfiiference bro.
Be sure to hammer the clomid three days after your last shot. Do 300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg oer day for ten days and then 50mg per day for another 10.

Good luck and keep us posted.
RG

 

[gimp]

Yeah, I want to head down to Texas soon, I know I can make more$$, but, I'm cool for the moment. I'm not concerned about impotence at the moment, I'm married, LOL!! But actually I'm experiencing great hard-ons, no testicular atrophy either. What's the clomid like? Are there any side effects with it?

 

[Realgains]

Yeah, I want to head down to Texas soon, I know I can make more$$, but, I'm cool for the moment. I'm not concerned about impotence at the moment, I'm married, LOL!! But actually I'm experiencing great hard-ons, no testicular atrophy either. What's the clomid like? Are there any side effects with it?

Teaticular atrophy usually starts after 10-12 weeks although you are going to get a little even at 4 weeks.

For absolute optimum recovery the nuts need to be at 100% prior to clomid.....so by doing 500iu's of H C G per day in the last two weeks of a cycle and prior to clomid will get the boys up and running and big and bouncy so they can respond best to LH post cycle. You don't really need it unless your cycle is over 10 weeks and or you experienced ball shrinkage........yet even during a short cycle it can help speed recovery somewhat.

Clomid sides......... not many for most. Some say acne although I have never gotten that from clomid.........other possible common sides include nausea, dizziness, headaches and temporarily blurred vision. These sides usually only occur in females as they feel that affects of estrogen tinkering more than men. Clomid is a must in any cycle though bro and especially with the strong androgens like tren and test as HPTA will be utterly shut down.

 

[Torch]

Great Post

 

[Ulter]

Way back in the beginning RealGains said you don't need anything besides Tren and test. After giving that some thought I came to the conclusion he is right. By adding or subtracting calories you control bulk or cut so that's not a consideration. Tren is the best muscle builder mg for mg and test keeps the libido working espcially if you add proviron as someone suggested. And as someone else points out it will go through a 29 1/2. That's what I use BTW also.
But that doesn't mean everyone can use it because everyone might not tollerate it well. Just like some don't tollerate test or deca well. AS has to used with caution until you know what sides you may encounter. Like using 75mg/ED of tren before you try 150mg/ED.
If you are looking for stats showing it's record of safety for newbies I think you only need to look at rural America. In most rural areas of the US tren is all they have and for this reason most guys start out on Tren. Newbies on tren is nothing new to them. So where are all the published reports about how all these men are dropping like flies from liver or kidney ailments? This would be big news if it were happening but I don't see it. Where is this boogie man you "toxic tren" people are saying is out there waiting for everyone? There are thousands of men using tren daily so why aren't the stories of their demise being posted here? Surely if it is so toxic you must know lots of people who have fallen gravely ill from it. Name two.
There no reason a "newbie" should not use Tren any more than any other AS. The argument that Tren is more toxic is crap. Over 90% of all the newbies I know have put Dbol in their first cycle. Some use only Dbol in their first cycle and this 40+ year old compound, Dbol, is surely as Toxic as any AS, save halo. Yet no one is saying not to use it in your first cycle like they are tren on this board.
Tren is a good choice for newbies.

 

[Realgains]

Way back in the beginning RealGains said you don't need anything besides Tren and test. After giving that some thought I came to the conclusion he is right. By adding or subtracting calories you control bulk or cut so that's not a consideration. Tren is the best muscle builder mg for mg and test keeps the libido working espcially if you add proviron as someone suggested. And as someone else points out it will go through a 29 1/2. That's what I use BTW also.
But that doesn't mean everyone can use it because everyone might not tollerate it well. Just like some don't tollerate test or deca well. AS has to used with caution until you know what sides you may encounter. Like using 75mg/ED of tren before you try 150mg/ED.
If you are looking for stats showing it's record of safety for newbies I think you only need to look at rural America. In most rural areas of the US tren is all they have and for this reason most guys start out on Tren. Newbies on tren is nothing new to them. So where are all the published reports about how all these men are dropping like flies from liver or kidney ailments? This would be big news if it were happening but I don't see it. Where is this boogie man you "toxic tren" people are saying is out there waiting for everyone? There are thousands of men using tren daily so why aren't the stories of their demise being posted here? Surely if it is so toxic you must know lots of people who have fallen gravely ill from it. Name two.
There no reason a "newbie" should not use Tren any more than any other AS. The argument that Tren is more toxic is crap. Over 90% of all the newbies I know have put Dbol in their first cycle. Some use only Dbol in their first cycle and this 40+ year old compound, Dbol, is surely as Toxic as any AS, save halo. Yet no one is saying not to use it in your first cycle like they are tren on this board.
Tren is a good choice for newbies.

Man I wish I could put things across like you Ulter! WELL SAID!
It is great to hear from guys like Ulter and Huck!
Bring on more of the ultra vets!

 

[Silent Method]

Anyways, I'm rotating my sites daily, using clean sterile pins, I'm an RN in Canada, so, I'm adept at injections.

I am an RN too and from Canada...live in the USA now though better $$ he he he .

RG

Yeah, I want to head down to Texas soon, I know I can make more$$, but, I'm cool for the moment.

Ohh great, just what we need down here. A few more 250 pound Canadian nurses with itchy plunger fingers!

Just kidding guys!

 

[jboldman]

Well, it looks like we are all on the same page again here. BTW, RG, I do not do 17aa's and like you think that tren and test are a safer way to go. Actually i think that test is the basis for all cycles, can do without any of the other steroids but it goes great with tren. I use tren in virtually every cycle, make it myself using a similar method to your recommended method and think that a newbie cycle for test and tren would be 75mg tren eod for the first two weeks bumped to 75mg ed after that if they desired. Test at 400-500 a week. Like you I agree that 200 mg of test does not do much. I don't care for proviron, might as well use test!
BTW, stay tuned for a novel way to make your own tren that I will be posting shortly after I try it out. Just a little twist that is not too expensive and could potentially make things much easier.

jb

 

[Realgains]

Well, it looks like we are all on the same page again here. BTW, RG, I do not do 17aa's and like you think that tren and test are a safer way to go. Actually i think that test is the basis for all cycles, can do without any of the other steroids but it goes great with tren. I use tren in virtually every cycle, make it myself using a similar method to your recommended method and think that a newbie cycle for test and tren would be 75mg tren eod for the first two weeks bumped to 75mg ed after that if they desired. Test at 400-500 a week. Like you I agree that 200 mg of test does not do much. I don't care for proviron, might as well use test!
BTW, stay tuned for a novel way to make your own tren that I will be posting shortly after I try it out. Just a little twist that is not too expensive and could potentially make things much easier.

jb

Thats cool