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NEWBIE don't be afraid of Tren!!
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young guns
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realgains - do you know insurance are in general about gyno surgery, is it considered cosmetic or what?
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young guns said:
No prob with the insurance issue....just don't tell your doc that you have been on juice as he will chart that and if the insurance company ever finds out then they will not pay.
Gyno can be caused by other things like smoking pot(prolactin I think) or by drinking a lot(reduces test)
40butpumpin
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Realgains would you have any suggestions/advice if I wanted to run the tren with test prop? Thanks for any help.
40butpumpin said:
Prop and tren is great too. Inject every day for best results. Try 100 of prop and 50-75 of tren every day. Get some arimidex and take half a pill to a full pill every day. Personally I would include 20 of Nolvadex with it because the use of estrogen inhibitors really screws up total serum cholesterol and hdl. The Tamoxifen acts as an estrogen in the liver and really helps a lot in this regard.
Alternatively you could do a two week cycle....believe me they work if ya know what and how to use.
Try this.....prop 250 on day one followed by 100 per day. Stop after day 10. Tren 150 on day one then 75 per day. Stop the tren after day11. You could add d-bol to the mix too at 50 per day in five divided doses and stop the d-bol after day 14 pm dose. You could also just use the d-bol for days 11, 12, 13 and 14. Use one half to one full tab of arimidex even without the d-bol. Front loading is a MUST with a two week cycle! Hit the clomid on day 15.
The nice thing about the two week cycle is this.......in a two week cycle only the hypothalamus is inhibited. The pituitary doesn't go to sleep until after about 18 days. This means that your natural test productiion will come back VERY rapidly. Not only that but you will have little to no sides as the cycle length is too short.
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40butpumpin
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Realgains, thanks for this, it's exactly what I was looking for. Wow, I didn't realize that Arimidex messed with the cholesterol that much. I take mega doses of TMG, Folic Acid, B6 and B12 which all should help with my homocysteine and LDL levels. That would suck to lose my HDL, it's a real concern of mine. I don't mean to detract from the focus of this great thread, however, I read something about Nolvadex recently that makes me hesitant about using it. It's listed as a drug that could cause something called prolonged QT interval syndrome and/or Torsades de Pointes. If you're interested you can check this site out http://www.torsades.org/ under "N." In any case, I'd rather not take Tamoxifen. I had a bout with a drug recently that could have given me this, it didn't, but I ran across this in my research. There's also something called Policosanol (see www.lef.org) that supposed to help serum and HDL, maybe I'll hit that up. But I've got enough Virormone to take your advice exactly so I'll keep you posted. 
Again, thanks much for this!
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Again, thanks much for this!40
I'm not sure if toxicity is the word that I am looking for but what few studies there are out there(animal mostly) do show that tren causes an increase in organ weight in the prostate , liver, and kidneys, I am guessing that this is not a good thing. Nandi needs to get the credit for posting the studies over on trieda, I can repost them i suppose if anyone wants to look. i would hate anyone to think that they can take tren without fear of any negative side effects. Having said all of that, i take tren and include it in every cycle. I have tried eod, ed, 2xed, in a variety of dose strengths up to 200mg/day and have not suffered any serious side effects that I know of other than a bad temper. I do notice that the rash of folks reporting bad sides have popped up after the rule of thumb recommendations started being 50-100mg ed dosing. My recommendation for a beginner would be 75mg eod for two weeks, if no sides than up the dose to 75mg ed to see how it goes. Listen to your body, there is no rush here. I would also recommend 500mg of test/wk along with the tren and would not recommend any anti-e's unless you need them since tren is synergistic with estrogen for muscle growth probably due to the increased igf-1 from the estrogen. If you watch your diet that should control bloat and have nolvadex on hand for gyno(unlikely but possible) you should have no problems. Save the arimidex for when you need it since it is so expensive.
YMMV, like I said this is my opinion based on my experience.
jb
YMMV, like I said this is my opinion based on my experience.
jb
40butpumpin said:Realgains, thanks for this, it's exactly what I was looking for. Wow, I didn't realize that Arimidex messed with the cholesterol that much. I take mega doses of TMG, Folic Acid, B6 and B12 which all should help with my homocysteine and LDL levels. That would suck to lose my HDL, it's a real concern of mine. I don't mean to detract from the focus of this great thread, however, I read something about Nolvadex recently that makes me hesitant about using it. It's listed as a drug that could cause something called prolonged QT interval syndrome and/or Torsades de Pointes. If you're interested you can check this site out http://www.torsades.org/ under "N." In any case, I'd rather not take Tamoxifen. I had a bout with a drug recently that could have given me this, it didn't, but I ran across this in my research. There's also something called Policosanol (see www.lef.org) that supposed to help serum and HDL, maybe I'll hit that up. But I've got enough Virormone to take your advice exactly so I'll keep you posted.
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Thousands of ladies take Tamoxifen around the world with no sides at all. Some cardiologists are giving it to men as well and with good results. If cardiac conduction problems are an issue then it would have been made very clear by now.
I really would not worry about what you have read. Besides bro a prolonged QR interval is no big deal if cardiac disease is not present. .
The only good way to keep total serum cholesterol down and especially HDL up while "on" 17 aa roids and especially estrogen inhibitors is to substitute an estrogen in the liver. Both Clomid and nolva act as estrogens in the liver and it is this estrogen that is protective.
Bill Roberts has had good results from using clomid during a cycle for this reason.
If you decide to stay away from Nolvadex and are really concerned with hdl and total cholesterol then do not use ANY 17aa roids or any estrogen inhibitors. Colmid could be your other choice though but clomid and Nolvadex are almost exactly the same.
As you probably already know the following dietary changes can help with the hdl/ldl issue.........avoid trans fatty acids, that is ALL cooking oils except cold pressed olive oil and a little butter. Margine is loaded with trans fats. Eat plenty of omega 6 and especailly omega 3 oils ie: salmon, tuna and oil supplements. Never fry anything with butter or olive oil above 250 degree F.
Avoid saturated fat like the plague(animal fat)
Avoid anything that has partially hydrogenated oil or vegetable oil shortening(trans fats)
Limit total cholesterol intake although saturated fat is way worse.
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jboldman said:
My guess would be that if tren causes increase in organ weight then all steroids do too. In fact I have heard that steroids can cause increase in organ weight and especially an enlarged heart if used very long term in large doses. This is very old knowledge....I am going back to the late 1970's.
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