New prospective user - Seeking advice

[rich_89]

Greetings everyone.

My name is Richard and i'm just looking for some advice with regards to potentially using some enhancers to accelerate my progress and gain some (noticeable) results.

I've had a glance through the stickied threads, and as per request here are my stats.

Weight: 11st 2 lb (so 156 lb) or (70.7 kg)
Height: 5'8"

I've been training for approximately 2 years now, and have seen some results, but none that i am happy with. I do a quite a lot of cardio excercise (i'm a keen long distance endurance runner) and also do weight training. I train at least 3 times a week, but usually more.

My diet is generally good, at the moment i'm currently taking in about 2000 good calories a day, consisting of a mix of proteins and carbohydrates, but minimal fats. I use whey protein supplements and eat protein meal replacement bars, but i'm convinced these have minimal if any benefits.

I talked to a friend at my gym who has a very good body, and good strength. I asked him his secret and he pointed me in the direction of a short steroid course, to kick start my gains and restore some confidence (which is starting to waver after 2 years of training with practically nothing to show for it). Following his advice, i purchased some 'Naposim' 5mg, which i believe is 'Dianabol'.

However, after reading up on them in more detail (i haven't actually taken them yet) i have realised that simply taking them blindly is not the best way to move forward, and would appreciate some advice on how best to take them, and how to avoid side effects effectively, as some of them do worry me.

I've been told 8 per day would be a good dose, so a 40mg dose, but i'm not sure if that is good for a total beginner.

I have already purchased milk thistle to combat any Liver problems, but i still don't feel totally confident.

Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks everyone

 

[bigdog2010]

hey bro, thats the very first cycle i ran. naposims. you could take them by all means but its not going to make any difference for you eating only 2000 calories a day.
just to gain naturally you need to be eating somewhere over 3000 calories a day and if you was going to be taking the naposims you would need to eat more.

i would say get somepeople on here to help you with your diet and then train naturally for a bit longer.


trust me diet is more possibly more important that training. you can train every day perfectly and eat ok and still not make any gains where as someone could eat perfectly and train hear and there and make gains. i was in your situation for 2 years with nothing happening and no one told me how important my diet was for years

 

[PJuice]

I would suggest you do a little more research. What are your goals, what do you expect out of this cycle, PCT?? Research, Research, Research before you put anything into your body. That being said, I wouldnt do a dbol only cycle. The gains are fast but can be somewhat watery. Hence, post cycle, a lot of your gains dissappear. I would suggest some form of test as a base. As mentioned, a SOLID diet is key. I would say u do some more reading before you pursue the use of AAS.

 

[rich_89]

Hello again.

Apologies i didn't mention, my goals are to keep my trim body, but bulk up my arms and upper body. (So targeting my Biceps, Triceps, Deltoids, and Pectorals). I have quite a decent body, with visible abdominals, but my arms are small in comparison to the rest of my body, and my pectorals are not visible. I wish to remedy this.

I have done some research, that's why i am here, for some expert advice (where better?). If i sort out my diet, hopefully with some of your help, how would be best to take the Naposim, if at all?

I'm aware that gains disappear with the cessation of use, so any advice on PCT would be appreciated. And what is best to use during to avoid side effects? And here is best to obtain these in your experience.

Thanks again.

 

[d_rson]

Richard, welcome!

Don't do a steroid cycle yet. You're not ready. AAS is icing on the cake, you have to bake the cake first with good diet, good training, and you need to reach close to your natural weight - and then use AAS to push you past that barrier.

Your diet needs work. Minimal fats aren't going to cut it. 2000 calories isn't going to cut it. I suggest going over to diet and training section

You say that you are an endurance runner, but also into lifting weights. You might need to make a decision between the two, at least in the short term, if you want to put on decent weight. Not saying you can't do both, but your training and diet for your endurance running is probably what is causing your strength and muscle gains to suffer.

Why don't you post your complete diet and weight training program here and we'll take a look. I would bet tweaking those two will superstart you into gaining some weight - your body is probably primed and ready to gain, you just aren't supplying it the right fuel or function to get moving.

Again, my recommendation is to not do AAS yet.

 

[bigdog2010]

if you was to use the dose you suggested is fine with a nolvadex pct.

you will gain a lot of water so think your gaining muscle but most of this will disapear during pct. say you gain 10lbs from the cycle you will probably be left with around 2/3 pounds or so of muscle.
if your diet is not higher then your be lucky to get them 2-3 pounds.

id just stick to getting your diet on track and on key. then see how you go for a few months

 

[d_rson]

But as an aside, dbol is not a good choice for you for your goals anyway. If you insist on doing a cycle, then post that you are and you can get some good recommendations for a first cycle that is in tune for your goals and includes PCT recommendations to keep all your gains and even grow more in PCT. But I still say avoid AAS for now and get everything else in check. It just sounds like you need a good upper body routine where are you are tearing up muscle, and a diet to supply the needed healthy fats and protein to actually build muscle. At 2000 calories, you're not getting enough protein, and if you are avoiding fats, you could be missing heathly fats that the body uses to make anabolic hormones!

 

[rich_89]

Thanks for all responses.

I will take the advice given and post in the diet section, and seek help getting my diet right. I'm always conscious about eating too much though, as i have quite a poor metabolism and tend to put weight on in the form of a podgy belly!

But nonetheless, i'll try anything. Thanks so much for your guidance.

 

[Nelson Montana]

At your weight you can make great gains with just supps.

 

[rich_89]

At your weight you can make great gains with just supps.

I take whey protein shakes when i wake up, after a workout and before bed and i eat protein meal replacement bars presently sir.

I do weight training a minimum of three times a week.

I just can't seem to make my arms grow to a size i'm happy with. That's why i considered the Naposims.

Is there maybe something in my workout that i am missing?

 

[stevesmi]

what everyone else said + be aware once you start steroids and gain weight its gonna wreck your cardio gains. the pumps you will experience even just with dbol are gonna make it difficult and/or impossible to train. in other words dont expect to be able to run a half marathon in 1:35 during a cycle, not gonna happen. in fact even a 5K is gonna be difficult.. I ran a 5K very early in my cycle, didn't think it would be an issue, I was wrong.. the dbol works fast. I ended up experiencing pumps in my shins and calves and had to forfeit half way through.

what i would do right now is simple. keep reading this site. learn from other peoples cycles.

a good basic cycle is test alone and you can take dbol for the first 4 weeks with liver support. also learn about PCT's and make sure you have them ready because as you may or may not know juicing is suppressive. and you need to avoid a hard landing or you will end up most of your gains.

and like others have said you have a scrawny runners body.. i had the same thing.. i was 5 6 and 135 pounds!!!! at one point when I was running 45 miles/week and on a ridicously strict diet. we are talking 6% bf. I was weightlifting light maybe 2-3 times per week tops. once I got tired of the grind of running and tired of always having leg issues from the constant pounding is when I decided to go back to training with weights full time. I immediately put on 20 pounds... and then I built up my strength and was benching 245 which is pretty damn good for a little guy like me. it was then and then only when I decided to try my first cycle and I kept it short and light.

now I am up to 185 pounds and benching 300 and I really enjoy lifting more then running. its way less trauma on the body.. running is a bitch, especially running half marathons and 5K's.. however with the pumps I experience I am only able to run 5 miles a week and my speed is horrendously slow. so be aware you will have to give up all that sweat you put into running if you are gonna be serious about lifting and juicing. thats what I learned.. you CANNOT be great at both unless you have superior genes or maybe are very young.

 

[Snyrx7]

I'm not saying don't drink the shakes because I my self drink alot of shakes but At 2000 cal diet and your taking in a shake morning after workout and bedtime plus the bars, that's a pretty large portion of your diet. I bet if you dropped the bars inbetween the shakes and added more real food that is high in protein and complex carbs your weight gain would improve. Lower your cardio a bit and add about 500 cal and see were that takes you. Still not gaining add another 500.

As far as lifting it always helps to have a partner/ spotter with knowledge of how to obtain your goals. If u don't have anyone in your life I'm sure you can get some good advice on sample routines desighned to gain muscle.

As far as tour choice of gear, If you want to get bigger and keep a lean figure I'm going to nominate my favorite wich is anavar! Although their are many oter alternatives but basically pick something that's not known to bloat you.
Good luck !

 

[Nelson Montana]

I take whey protein shakes when i wake up, after a workout and before bed and i eat protein meal replacement bars presently sir.

I do weight training a minimum of three times a week.

I just can't seem to make my arms grow to a size i'm happy with. That's why i considered the Naposims.

Is there maybe something in my workout that i am missing?

Protein shakes are only food. They're not going to change your body.

This is what I recommend.

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As for supplements, go with ...


BIG BLAST (Orbit nutrition)

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Better bars (needto)

GEAR (needto)


Right there, you'll make some great gains if you're consistent and work hard.

 

[d_rson]

I take whey protein shakes when i wake up, after a workout and before bed and i eat protein meal replacement bars presently sir.

Post your exact diet here. Do your macros - if you don't know how, read up on computing your macros. Very important to know how.

I do weight training a minimum of three times a week.

I just can't seem to make my arms grow to a size i'm happy with. That's why i considered the Naposims.

1) What is your arm workout, EXACLTY. Be descriptive. When you work arms, what exercises do you do? How many sets, how many reps? Do you use forced reps? Do your arms hurt the next day? Etc, Etc.

2) Don't use AAS to target a specific muscle group - it's not very productive.

 

[mrplunkey]

How old are you? Did I miss that?

 

[RADAR]

I take whey protein shakes when i wake up, after a workout and before bed and i eat protein meal replacement bars presently sir.

I do weight training a minimum of three times a week.

I just can't seem to make my arms grow to a size i'm happy with. That's why i considered the Naposims.

Is there maybe something in my workout that i am missing?

Yeah! You and i need to sit down and talk,I have been in this game over 35 yrs

Shoot me a pm

 

[rich_89]

Hello gents, sorry for the tardy reply, haven't been online much recently.

d_rson - My exact arm workout is this:

3x10 Tricep Dips to warm up a bit.

(with a weight such that my arms hurt immediately aftwerwards)

3x8 Tricep extensions
3x8 Tricep kickbacks
2x 21's Bicep curls - 7 upper half, 7 lower half, 7 full
3x8 Deltoid raises

And thats it. It doesn't do much for me, and following advice received in the Diet section, increasing my calories hasn;t helped much. I just feel like i'm putting weight on and not bulking.

RADAR - PM sent.

 

[dmessina7]

eat mega carbs. a cup (dry) of oatmeal in the morning along with a a about 50g of protein from any source (eggs?) eat low GI carbs throughout the day and something like white rice or grits, soem kind of fast absorbing clean carb, right after your workout along with oen of your protein shakes. CARBS CARBS CARBS!!!

 

[d_rson]

d_rson - My exact arm workout is this:

3x10 Tricep Dips to warm up a bit.

(with a weight such that my arms hurt immediately aftwerwards)

3x8 Tricep extensions
3x8 Tricep kickbacks
2x 21's Bicep curls - 7 upper half, 7 lower half, 7 full
3x8 Deltoid raises

Okay, let's talk. Triple that. You're doing a light workout right there, and you're doing isolation and detail movements, not muscle builders!

Do Triceps, Biceps, and shoulders on different days.
Workup to the below, but within a couple weeks, I would be doing the following:

Do whatever you do to warm up, and then do this:

On Tricep Days:
4x10 Close-Grip Bench Press (keep your elbows pinned to your sides)
3x10 Skull Crushers (keep your elbow stationary, no swinging)
3x10 Straight bar pushdowns (again, keep those elbows pinned to your side)
3xFailure - Bench dips (great for burning out your triceps in the end)

On Bicep Days:
3x10 Wide-grip barbells curls (slightly outside shoulder width - Don't stop at the top or allow your elbow to come out and under the bar - constant tension on the muscle!
3x10 close-grip barbell curls (slightly inside shoulder width)
3x10 Hammer curls
3x10 Reverse curls
(you can throw some barbell wrist curls in the end)

Now, the above should not be an easy workout, go HEAVY. At the end of each set of each exercise, you should be STRUGGLING to do the last reps. Use forced reps sometimes, where a training partner helps you ink out the last few because you CAN'T. Then you know you are lifting the weight you should be lifting and TEARING muscle. You need to be frying your muscles, and it sounds like you are stopping your workout just when the muscles are primed. When I'm done with an arm workout, I can hardly drive home.

If you do the above, I bet your muscles will start to respond.

 

[rich_89]

NECRO POST

Gentlemen, thought i'd resurrect this thread to let you know how im getting on.

I've attempted to sort my diet since all this information was given to me and i've been doing the above arm workout, twice a week, and working on legs and back and chest alternately in the other training session (3 times a week training), 2 times a week cardio training.

As for the dbol i mentioned, lol, i know i was rash and bought it looking for a fast track solution (not an easy way, but a way to get where i want to be), with minimal research. It's dusty on my shelf as we speak, with no real pospect of being used in honesty.

Since i last posted fully i've gained about a stone in weight. I've gained about an inch around each arm, which i'm kinda happy with, but since i stopped running loads ( i was an endurance runner), and eating more, i've gained weight around my middle and am at about 19% body fat now. Now this confuses me because i really do try and eat the right things. here's a typical days food. Oh and please bear in mind, i'm a nut allergy sufferer, and can't eat eggs or fish, which is very annoying, but i just can't make myself like them.

Breakfast:
Bowl of cereal, two slices of wholemeal toast with low fat margarine
Assortment of fruits: Oranges and Banana usually
Protein shake (35g serving)
Yoghurt

Snack
More fruits

Dinner:
Salad, with a chicken breast and brown pasta, drizzled in extra virgin olive oil

Main Meal
Steak (or red meat in another form, maybe stewed)
Boiled potatoes
Brown Rice
Vegetables and lots of em. Can't get enough.
Salad

Snack
Tub of Cottage cheese, handful of mangetout, pint of milk

Supper
Protein shake, yoghurt usually a flavoured one, but still probiotic and natural

Plus a protein shake after training.

I drink my protein shakes with milk, so that also adds to calories, and the protein i use is whey and complex carbs, so its around 400 calories per shake, by my calculation.

I do sometimes cheat and eat maybe a bag of crisps, but surely this shouldnt be so detrimental. . and increase my body fat so much.

Chest gains are non existent practically, but this makes no sense to me as i ache like hell after my chest workout.

 

[rich_89]

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