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scorpio67

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Hello,
I’m a new member here and thought I’d introduce myself, describe my situation, and see what advice I could get from the more experienced members here.
I’m 42 years old, 5’2”, 134lb (size 2-4). My body fat is somewhere between 25-30%, depending on which set of calipers or scale I use (the bod pod is coming to my gym next week, and I’ll be taking advantage of that).
Back in January I had established a goal of competing in a local figure show in October. Since then, the goal has transitioned from figure to bodybuilding, which I find more appealing. I really don’t think I’ll be ready in October – which is fine, I can always do another show later. The issue is that my progress is *really* hard to judge, and it’s getting frustrating.
My weight in November 2009 was 142 (size 6-8), and in March of this year it was 136. So while there have been incremental improvements, I really expected more based on the amount of work I’m doing and my diet.
Workoutsd: I’m basically in a pre-contest mode right now, doing 30-45 minutes of cardio in the morning (treadmill or HIIT), followed by a group class at the gym in the evening (often a cardio/weight class, and I use as heavy of a weight as I can). On the weekend I typically do weights with my boyfriend, and I go as heavy as I can there as well. From January through March I was doing cardio in the morning, and a typical 5-day weight split at night (again, heavy).
Diet: My diet ranges from 1600-2000 calories per day – I don’t eat the same thing every day, though I try to be consistent with as many meals as possible. I find it hard to function on fewer calories – and my job requirements don’t let me get away with that. Protein is typically 130g per day, carbs are about 170-180, and healthy fats make up the rest. I was/am a vegetarian, though I’ve gone to using more animal sources lately (not really happy about it, but I’ll cope with that in my own way). I have a Bodybugg which I use to track the calories I burn and take in, though I’ve stopped using the meal tracker of late due to time restrictions, and being familiar with the macros of what I’m eating.
Supplements/etc: For medication I’m on birth control and thyroid replacement. Additionally I’m taking a multi-vitamin (currently on hiatus because I’m vitamin D toxic based on my recent blood tests, and my multi has a lot of that), Arson as a thermogenic (which I LOVE), DHEA (25mg per day), CLA, a nitric-oxide supp pre-workout and creatine post-workout. I started clenbuterol yesterday at 20mcg and we’ll see how that works – I got some mild shakes but nothing bad. I’m considering an anavar/winstrol combo at low dosages as well (10/10 per day? I need to research this a little more, I know).
History: I was anorexic as a teenager (that takes some dedication, let me tell you), and I was up to 196 pounds at 37. I am the ultimate yo-yo, which I’m sure has done nothing positive for my metabolism. It was at my heaviest that I got a lap-band. While I feel more in control now than I have in a long time, I still have it in there (loosened pretty much all the way so I can eat what I need to), and I’m sure it will look plenty bizarre when I get on stage for my first show (it pokes out pretty noticably). I actually use this to help guage my bodyfat level – the better I can see it, the leaner I am (ick, I know).
So, what now? I feel my diet is pretty good, though I know it can be improved upon. I’m just not sure how to bring the calories down much lower while still feeling satisfied. I feel my workouts are good – I’m plenty sore all the time, and I’m putting more of an emphasis on cardio to try to get to a baseline bodyfat level. I know I’ve already put on a good amount of muscle this year, but I want to be able to see it!
Well, thanks so much for reading this. Hopefully I gave enough details so that anyone with some ideas can chime in and help me out. I feel like I’ve been killing myself and I’m just not seeing what I had hoped for.
Thanks again!
 
Hello,

I’m 42 years old, 5’2”, 134lb (size 2-4). My body fat is somewhere between 25-30%, depending on which set of calipers or scale I use (the bod pod is coming to my gym next week, and I’ll be taking advantage of that).

Workoutsd: I’m basically in a pre-contest mode right now, doing 30-45 minutes of cardio in the morning (treadmill or HIIT), followed by a group class at the gym in the evening (often a cardio/weight class, and I use as heavy of a weight as I can). On the weekend I typically do weights with my boyfriend, and I go as heavy as I can there as well. From January through March I was doing cardio in the morning, and a typical 5-day weight split at night (again, heavy).
Diet: My diet ranges from 1600-2000 calories per day – I don’t eat the same thing every day, though I try to be consistent with as many meals as possible. I find it hard to function on fewer calories – and my job requirements don’t let me get away with that. Protein is typically 130g per day, carbs are about 170-180, and healthy fats make up the rest. I was/am a vegetarian, though I’ve gone to using more animal sources lately (not really happy about it, but I’ll cope with that in my own way). I have a Bodybugg which I use to track the calories I burn and take in, though I’ve stopped using the meal tracker of late due to time restrictions, and being familiar with the macros of what I’m eating.
Supplements/etc: For medication I’m on birth control and thyroid replacement. Additionally I’m taking a multi-vitamin (currently on hiatus because I’m vitamin D toxic based on my recent blood tests, and my multi has a lot of that), Arson as a thermogenic (which I LOVE), DHEA (25mg per day), CLA, a nitric-oxide supp pre-workout and creatine post-workout. I started clenbuterol yesterday at 20mcg and we’ll see how that works – I got some mild shakes but nothing bad. I’m considering an anavar/winstrol combo at low dosages as well (10/10 per day? I need to research this a little more, I know).
History: I was anorexic as a teenager (that takes some dedication, let me tell you), and I was up to 196 pounds at 37. I am the ultimate yo-yo, which I’m sure has done nothing positive for my metabolism. It was at my heaviest that I got a lap-band. While I feel more in control now than I have in a long time, I still have it in there (loosened pretty much all the way so I can eat what I need to), and I’m sure it will look plenty bizarre when I get on stage for my first show (it pokes out pretty noticably). I actually use this to help guage my bodyfat level – the better I can see it, the leaner I am (ick, I know).

Welcome Scorpio. :)

Ok lets have a look. You're dissatisfied with your progress, and your current goal is to lose fat for a bb comp in Oct.

Alright the first thing you need is solid, reliable data on which to base the amount and intensity of cardio needed and the number of daily calories you require. 25-30% bf is too big a range to get a clear picture of your daily caloric needs. Based on the range you mention, your lbm would be as low as 93.8lbs and as high as 100.5lbs. Seven pounds of muscle will make a big different in how many calories you need daily.

If you run too low a caloric deficit you will stop loosing bodyfat and will begin loosing muscle. In other words, the scale will not budge and you will get softer. Find someone trained to use a professional grade skin caliper to check you so we can get a clear idea of where you're at now. I suspect your calories are too low, but we're just guessing until we get better numbers.

Please go into more detail regarding the specific sources of your macros.
 
Thanks for the quick feedback! I am going to get my body fat tested in the "bod pod" day after tomorrow due to the body fat confusion I have. It is an in water test and should be super accurate.

In terms of my diet:
breakfast: 1/3 cup oats, 1/3 cup blueberries, cinnamon, 1 scoop protein powder (117cal/24 g. protein)
snack: 1 tablespoon natural peanut butter, 2 ry krisp crackers
lunch: typically 1 can of water packed tuna, lettuce, 5 greek olives, 2 tsp. olive oil, 1 tsp. balsamic vinegar, hard boiled egg, one artichoke heart
snack: 1 scoop protein powder, 1 banana
dinner: varies but usually 25g protein source (tofu, fish, eggwhites, starting to eat some meat now), carb source such as brown rice 1/2 to 1/3 cup, 1/2 sweet potato, etc. , veggies (I haven't been as routine on dinners but plan to and would like suggestions)
night snack: CNP protein pudding (casein) 135 cal, 25 pro, 4 carb


Hope this is helpful and thanks for any guidance!
 
I feel you on the dieting thing. I work in advanced numbers all day for 10 to 12 hours. Once I started eating carbs it was hard to let go. Even complex ones at that. Right now all I do is have carbs for breakfast, preworkout and post workout. I will be entering healthy fats into all my meals soon.
Try getting a sixth meal in there. When I go from 5 to 6 I put on more muscle and lose more fat. If its at night go high protein, low carb, moderate fat.
 
Thanks for the quick feedback! I am going to get my body fat tested in the "bod pod" day after tomorrow due to the body fat confusion I have. It is an in water test and should be super accurate.

In terms of my diet:
breakfast: 1/3 cup oats, 1/3 cup blueberries, cinnamon, 1 scoop protein powder (117cal/24 g. protein)
snack: 1 tablespoon natural peanut butter, 2 ry krisp crackers
lunch: typically 1 can of water packed tuna, lettuce, 5 greek olives, 2 tsp. olive oil, 1 tsp. balsamic vinegar, hard boiled egg, one artichoke heart
snack: 1 scoop protein powder, 1 banana
dinner: varies but usually 25g protein source (tofu, fish, eggwhites, starting to eat some meat now), carb source such as brown rice 1/2 to 1/3 cup, 1/2 sweet potato, etc. , veggies (I haven't been as routine on dinners but plan to and would like suggestions)
night snack: CNP protein pudding (casein) 135 cal, 25 pro, 4 carb


Hope this is helpful and thanks for any guidance!

It would make things go a lot faster and more easy if you could type out exactly how many cals you take in each day and where all these cals come from. Along with what you have written already.

fitday.com and sites like this can help a lot with this.


Often its so easy to second guess everything when it comes to diet going into the last stages before a comp. Asking 20 different people for advice and changing it up over and over again.

This is something that takes time and it takes trust. Ether trust in your own judgment or some one else. The first thing to do is set a plan and stick to it. As you get closer and closer to the comp you will be able to tell if the plan is working or not. You can adjust slightly on the way into the comp and of course the closer you get to game day the more you will adjust cals downward and or use different sups,drugs,products.

Its something you learn over time. You may not nail it down perfect this site but you will get a great feel for what works and what does not. Keep perfect records of everything you are doing even to the hour if you can.

Remember this is a life thing not just a one time thing. You are learning every step of the way so not getting it perfect the first time is ok.
 
What kind of group fitness classes are you doing? Clarify for me - you were doing a regular 5 day split, but right now you're doing cardio (treadmill/HIIT) in the am, and group in the pm, and then heavy lifting with the bf on the weekend? I don't think that you're going to reach your goal for competing in BB with this type of routine. As a group fitness instructor (Body Pump, Body Combat, Spin) - I felt that teaching these classes are part of what is holding me back from my physique being what I want it to be. Also, by doing these classes during the week - and then working with the bf on the weekend, I have a feeling that the allocation of work on the different muscle groups will not be where it needs to be. In Body Pump, though it is with weights, it is long sets of lighter weight (often 5 mins plus) per body part - designed to lean and lengthen, not to build the physique of somebody in BBing. Also, you didn't state what you're doing as far as rest days? Are you doing a whole lot of something every day, and then not taking any days off? I have been learning that shorter, quality workouts, specially designed to hit the muscle groups appropriately provide for more muscle growth, and a better feeling overall. Are you supplementing with any creatine? glutamine? Are you keeping your metabolism up throughout the day by making sure not to go too long in between meals? Are you eating or downing protein first thing in the morning when you wake up to end that starvation period that your body is in overnight? These are things that I have learned from good peeps around here that helped me tremendously.
 
What kind of group fitness classes are you doing? Clarify for me - you were doing a regular 5 day split, but right now you're doing cardio (treadmill/HIIT) in the am, and group in the pm, and then heavy lifting with the bf on the weekend? I don't think that you're going to reach your goal for competing in BB with this type of routine. As a group fitness instructor (Body Pump, Body Combat, Spin) - I felt that teaching these classes are part of what is holding me back from my physique being what I want it to be. Also, by doing these classes during the week - and then working with the bf on the weekend, I have a feeling that the allocation of work on the different muscle groups will not be where it needs to be. In Body Pump, though it is with weights, it is long sets of lighter weight (often 5 mins plus) per body part - designed to lean and lengthen, not to build the physique of somebody in BBing. Also, you didn't state what you're doing as far as rest days? Are you doing a whole lot of something every day, and then not taking any days off? I have been learning that shorter, quality workouts, specially designed to hit the muscle groups appropriately provide for more muscle growth, and a better feeling overall. Are you supplementing with any creatine? glutamine? Are you keeping your metabolism up throughout the day by making sure not to go too long in between meals? Are you eating or downing protein first thing in the morning when you wake up to end that starvation period that your body is in overnight? These are things that I have learned from good peeps around here that helped me tremendously.

I am doing treadmill in a.m. and power, strength and conditioning, step or a pilates class in the evening. I haven't been taking days off with cardio but will not do a.m. cardio if doing a p.m. weight group class. I think you are right about this plan not being BB type but I wanted to get some fat off to see where I really am muscle wise. I am supplementing with creatine, glutamine and thermogenics. I eat 6 meals a day and bedtime protein.

You brought up a new question for me though.....should I do fasting cardio in the a.m. or not??????? :confused:I'm getting alot of mixed info on this. I usually do 30-45 minutes on treadmill at high incline and moderately fast speed or stationary bike, elliptical and treadmill for 30-45 min.

I'll get my body fat tested tomorrow and then think it will be good to get an appropriate diet plan laid out with EF help.

Thanks so much with everyone's input so far. Great things for me to think about and fix.
 
I feel you on the dieting thing. I work in advanced numbers all day for 10 to 12 hours. Once I started eating carbs it was hard to let go. Even complex ones at that. Right now all I do is have carbs for breakfast, preworkout and post workout. I will be entering healthy fats into all my meals soon.
Try getting a sixth meal in there. When I go from 5 to 6 I put on more muscle and lose more fat. If its at night go high protein, low carb, moderate fat.

Hey slat my man how you doing good bro.
 
Ok help me out here! I got my bodyfat tested and, in fact, I'm 30% body fat. 40.5 pounds of fat and 94.7 pounds muscle. Although it is high. I was at about 38-42% body fat only 5 months ago.

What should my calorie intake be for bodybuilding? Macro breakdown?

What would be a good weight training split?

What is adequate cardio for me (I think I was losing too much muscle doing cardio 1-2 times a day)?

Should I do fasting cardio?

Ideas on clen and anavar? Just finishing first week of clen at about 60mcg.

Thanks for any and all advice!!:qt:
 
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