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[ego boner]

if you are looking for oral only--- go with anavar. but i would recommend TEST for a first cycle... there are threads about how to properly inject... i was needle shy at first. after the first poke though--- no prob. dont even feel it cause the needles are so sharp....

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

lol, ok... go stack your 3 liver toxic steroids together and have a great cycle. I never said I was "Tuff" but atleast I can stick a needle in my ass when wanting to anabolic androgenic steroids cycle.

If anything should be "important" to you it should be your health (not bodybuilding), so research before you take a SHIT cycle & learn about post cycle treatment.

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NEM, I dont know about everyones individual problems on this bored, 90% was simply a number; however, every person I know of wants to do an "oral only" first cycle is because they are scared of needles. IMO you arent ready to do steroids yet. period.

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flexed: I am no way saying oral only cycles arent or shouldn't be used, my comments were directed towards a "first cycle" "newb" not someone who competes & lives the lifestyle.

I have read studies on tylenol and liver toxicity. There was one study done where the participants who were normal healthy people were givne the max dose of tylenol daily spread out over 6 hours showed an elevation of liver enzymes between 33-44%.

My point is yes oral cycles can be liver toxic but people react to things differently and can handle a short oral only cycle. Once you come off a cycle your LFTs drop back to normal. Sticking a needle in you does not make you more of a man. I thought it was penis size? lol

 

[nemesis 2027]

Good post bro

Thanks bro, just trying to keep all things fair when they get too one sided. I wasn't picking a fight with thebadguy, just trying to air out the truth.

Me and him are tighter than ever now.. He still doesn't like orals (that didn't sound right??) and that's ok. Btw, we're not gay!!

 

[GAUDY]

if you are looking for oral only--- go with anavar. but i would recommend TEST for a first cycle... there are threads about how to properly inject... i was needle shy at first. after the first poke though--- no prob. dont even feel it cause the needles are so sharp....

agree

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Thanks bro, just trying to keep all things fair when they get too one sided. I wasn't picking a fight with thebadguy, just trying to air out the truth.

Me and him are tighter than ever now.. He still doesn't like orals (that didn't sound right??) and that's ok. Btw, we're not gay!!

A man who doesnt like orals is a man w/o a dream. LOL. I know yall arent gay and whatever happenned in college was only experimenting right?

 

[chris69]

I have read studies on tylenol and liver toxicity. There was one study done where the participants who were normal healthy people were givne the max dose of tylenol daily spread out over 6 hours showed an elevation of liver enzymes between 33-44%.

My point is yes oral cycles can be liver toxic but people react to things differently and can handle a short oral only cycle. Once you come off a cycle your LFTs drop back to normal. Sticking a needle in you does not make you more of a man. I thought it was penis size? lol

O-k i'm hearing the phrase TEST alot. Is that Test 400 your refering to.
I have read alot about propionate/suspesion/enathate/cypinate, and all have advantages/disadvantages, about fat cell deposites ectt...this is some shit that i really need to hear from people w/ experiance. Love what i got so far, keep it comin.

 

[nemesis 2027]

A man who doesnt like orals is a man w/o a dream. LOL. I know yall arent gay and whatever happenned in college was only experimenting right?

Yeah man, it's all good.. Orals while on orals are awesome man!!!

I never experimented until late adulthood.. I missed out on a lot I think!!! lol

I'll always be learning something new...

 

[flexed1]

liver values as noted do go back to normal with no long term abuse... oral only 4-6 weeks will not effect your body long term unless you stay on orals... anything said otherwise is again nonsense... 4-6 weeks will not shut down your system but nolva is a good idea for reasons we all know... love "newbies" folks who have 6 million posts in a year tells you they type better then they workout.. if this hits a nerve sorry its the truth... i've been on this board 7 years I have less then 5000 posts guess i dont have time to be attached to my computer giving advise to others and knocking them. to funny, made myself laugh.. oh, please show us your contest pictures, and or just any body pics as not everyone competes. just curious. rofl

 

[chris69]

liver values as noted do go back to normal with no long term abuse... oral only 4-6 weeks will not effect your body long term unless you stay on orals... anything said otherwise is again nonsense... 4-6 weeks will not shut down your system but Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is a good idea for reasons we all know... love "newbies" folks who have 6 million posts in a year tells you they type better then they workout.. if this hits a nerve sorry its the truth... i've been on this board 7 years I have less then 5000 posts guess i dont have time to be attached to my computer giving advise to others and knocking them. to funny, made myself laugh.. oh, please show us your contest pictures, and or just any body pics as not everyone competes. just curious. rofl

Will do,I'm learing this computer..shit now,downloading ect.... Thanx bro.

 

[nemesis 2027]

liver values as noted do go back to normal with no long term abuse... oral only 4-6 weeks will not effect your body long term unless you stay on orals... anything said otherwise is again nonsense... 4-6 weeks will not shut down your system but Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is a good idea for reasons we all know... love "newbies" folks who have 6 million posts in a year tells you they type better then they workout.. if this hits a nerve sorry its the truth... i've been on this board 7 years I have less then 5000 posts guess i dont have time to be attached to my computer giving advise to others and knocking them. to funny, made myself laugh.. oh, please show us your contest pictures, and or just any body pics as not everyone competes. just curious. rofl

Like I posted earlier I had a good first lite oral cycle. I ran 20 mgs pink D.bols ed 4 weeks, and it was like I felt over twenty years ago only with more power and strength. I gave up my dream of competitive BB decades ago, but still have a dream to make reasonable body changes even if I choose to run orals only at this time. It worked for me. Even after I got off, I have continued to work out with the increased strength and intensity, and fortunatley I've kept most of what I made on the cycle. I will admit I changed my diet (cleaned it up) and ate a lot more than normal, but I also knew better that it wouldn't build muscle without a proper diet. I'm on my third (last) week of clomid now, and my boys are finally getting the tingle back. I was a bit nervous, but all seems normal again. I am bigger and stronger than I was before.. No pics yet though.. lol I have a ways to go, but it feels good to be started.