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[chris69]

O-K , Im New to this game but have decided to use some roids.I'm 32 and hav not used anything since i was 23,and at that time i was even more ignorant and used sustinon 250. I'm dead set on Dianabol,but need to take another oral to stack.
(no needles)
I have read alot about Andiol & Winstol,but diff sites have diff info and compares these.The lbs gained show the same, but winstrol hase double the strength & fat loss.....what does this mean,also winstrol has double the side affects. Does anybody have a oral stack that has worked well.Lastly, how about NOLVADEX, some say stack it, some say post, and can you get away with using just that,or do you need clomid ect...also?

 

[hyp1]

O-K , Im New to this game but have decided to use some steroids.I'm 32 and hav not used anything since i was 23,and at that time i was even more ignorant and used sustinon 250. I'm dead set on Dianabol,but need to take another oral to stack.
(no needles)
I have read alot about Andiol & Winstol,but diff sites have diff info and compares these.The lbs gained show the same, but winstrol hase double the strength & fat loss.....what does this mean,also winstrol has double the side affects. Does anybody have a oral stack that has worked well.Lastly, how about NOLVADEX, some say stack it, some say post, and can you get away with using just that,or do you need clomid ect...also?

why are you not into injecting?you do know that the gains from injectable testosterone are much easier to keep than any oral cycle don't you?and it's less hard on your liver.if you're scared of needles then you don't have any business using gear at all,why you ask?because a decent post cycle therapy consists of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - injected for 10 days straight,along with taking nolvadex and clomid.if you're not willing to do a proper post cycle therapy you're not going to keep much of your gains at all,and in essence you're just wasting your time.

wtf is andiol?if you're referring to anadrol it's seriously powerful,too powerful for most people because of headaches,extreme water retention and acne it induces.I don't know where the hell you're getting your information about winstrol increasing strength and causing fat loss,but the strength part is seriously wrong.

You desperately need to educate yourself on post cycle therapy,and proper steroid cycles and profiles.

best of luck to you

 

[needtogetaas]

why are you not into injecting?you do know that the gains from injectable testosterone are much easier to keep than any oral cycle don't you?and it's less hard on your liver.if you're scared of needles then you don't have any business using gear at all,why you ask?because a decent post cycle therapy consists of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - injected for 10 days straight,along with taking nolvadex and clomid.if you're not willing to do a proper post cycle therapy you're not going to keep much of your gains at all,and in essence you're just wasting your time.

wtf is andiol?if you're referring to anadrol it's seriously powerful,too powerful for most people because of headaches,extreme water retention and acne it induces.I don't know where the hell you're getting your information about winstrol increasing strength and causing fat loss,but the strength part is seriously wrong.

You desperately need to educate yourself on post cycle therapy,and proper steroid cycles and profiles.

best of luck to you

what he said bro and I think almost every one here would say the same.

 

[chris69]

why are you not into injecting?you do know that the gains from injectable testosterone are much easier to keep than any oral cycle don't you?and it's less hard on your liver.if you're scared of needles then you don't have any business using gear at all,why you ask?because a decent post cycle therapy consists of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - injected for 10 days straight,along with taking nolvadex and clomid.if you're not willing to do a proper post cycle therapy you're not going to keep much of your gains at all,and in essence you're just wasting your time.

wtf is andiol?if you're referring to anadrol it's seriously powerful,too powerful for most people because of headaches,extreme water retention and acne it induces.I don't know where the hell you're getting your information about winstrol increasing strength and causing fat loss,but the strength part is seriously wrong.

You desperately need to educate yourself on post cycle therapy,and proper steroid cycles and profiles.

best of luck to you

<Reply> Thank you. Sorry about my type-o, it's Andriol & winstrol that i was refering to for stacking with the other (17aa steroid-in this case Dianabol) . Side effect & toxcity are said to be less.Yes i know the needle thing is silly.(after all I have tattoo's) As far as the info about gains ect.. there is a chart on several sites comparing these anabolics.(steroid.com) for one.This is what I have for info without narrowing it down threw experiance. So anything on this if im pigheaded about oral ?

 

[thebadguy54]

why are you not into injecting?you do know that the gains from injectable testosterone are much easier to keep than any oral cycle don't you?and it's less hard on your liver.if you're scared of needles then you don't have any business using gear at all,why you ask?because a decent post cycle therapy consists of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - injected for 10 days straight,along with taking nolvadex and clomid.if you're not willing to do a proper post cycle therapy you're not going to keep much of your gains at all,and in essence you're just wasting your time.

wtf is andiol?if you're referring to anadrol it's seriously powerful,too powerful for most people because of headaches,extreme water retention and acne it induces.I don't know where the hell you're getting your information about winstrol increasing strength and causing fat loss,but the strength part is seriously wrong.

You desperately need to educate yourself on post cycle therapy,and proper steroid cycles and profiles.

best of luck to you

Great post Hyp1. I couldn't agree more.

ALL ORAL CYCLES ARE G A Y

 

[702daswoll1]

Andriol is not absorbed well at all. Go get some creatine and some pro-hormones bro.. Grow some testicles and get back to us in a bit.

 

[hyp1]

<Reply> Thank you. Sorry about my type-o, it's Andriol & winstrol that i was refering to for stacking with the other (17 alpha-alkylated steroid-in this case Dianabol) . Side effect & toxcity are said to be less.Yes i know the needle thing is silly.(after all I have tattoo's) As far as the info about gains ect.. there is a chart on several sites comparing these anabolics.(steroid.com) for one.This is what I have for info without narrowing it down threw experiance. So anything on this if im pigheaded about oral ?

andriol is yet another 17 alpha-alkylated steroid(which stresses the hell out of your liver),reading up on it I see that it's probably a poor buy because it has such a mild effect its high price and required high daily dosages usually causes it to be avoided when crossing it on the black market.why use this shit when an injectable testosterone and other options are so cheap ,effective and readily available bro?

stacking 17 alpha-alkylated steroids isn't a good idea in my opinion,especially if you're fond of your liver.stop looking for a 'quick fix'(popping pills to get big),take responsibility and build a proper cycle....instead of needlessly damaging your liver,bro.no offense,but yeah being.....pigheaded to an extent.......using your words.........LOL

again,bro
hang out here,educate yourself and absorb information like a sponge
it can only help you in the long run

 

[chris69]

Andriol is not absorbed well at all. Go get some creatine and some pro-hormones bro.. Grow some testicles and get back to us in a bit.

As for the orals being "GAY" I was unaware.I don't need to turn queer,just want better results, as far as My Balls are concerned,there big enough thank you.The first reply i apreciate. I guess if i learned properly, injections would be fine,And it seems to be the best way after your jump start w/ oral.
It's not the shot itself, but the formality of how to do injections that bothers me, I would want to do it correctly. I have no clue about nursing , or any other "gay" careers. I'm glad i found your site and joined. I would think it is For anybody interested, or needing insight from other body builders. I have been training for over 10 yrs myself naturally.

 

[chris69]

andriol is yet another 17 alpha-alkylated steroid(which stresses the hell out of your liver),reading up on it I see that it's probably a poor buy because it has such a mild effect its high price and required high daily dosages usually causes it to be avoided when crossing it on the black market.why use this shit when an injectable testosterone and other options are so cheap ,effective and readily available bro?

stacking 17 alpha-alkylated steroids isn't a good idea in my opinion,especially if you're fond of your liver.stop looking for a 'quick fix'(popping pills to get big),take responsibility and build a proper cycle....instead of needlessly damaging your liver,bro.no offense,but yeah being.....pigheaded to an extent.......using your words.........LOL

again,bro
hang out here,educate yourself and absorb information like a sponge
it can only help you in the long run

HYPL--Great info,I am going to do just that,take my time and soak it up.Yes you are correct,the injection is the best way as proven by many of you,so this is what i will re-search.
To put it all together,there doesnt seem to be a way to stack two 17aa together and get good long term(safe) results. Thanks Bro !

 

[702daswoll1]

Just giving you a hard time bro.. It is all good.. Hyp has some good info for you.. Take his advice.

 

[chris69]

Just giving you a hard time bro.. It is all good.. Hyp has some good info for you.. Take his advice.

ALL GOOD, Thanx BRO"S !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BigGuyPHX]

O-K , Im New to this game but have decided to use some steroids.I'm 32 and hav not used anything since i was 23,and at that time i was even more ignorant and used sustinon 250. I'm dead set on Dianabol,but need to take another oral to stack.
(no needles)
I have read alot about Andiol & Winstol,but diff sites have diff info and compares these.The lbs gained show the same, but winstrol hase double the strength & fat loss.....what does this mean,also winstrol has double the side affects. Does anybody have a oral stack that has worked well.Lastly, how about NOLVADEX, some say stack it, some say post, and can you get away with using just that,or do you need clomid ect...also?

STOP before you put one thing in your body and do some MORE homework... we were all where your at now and understand the WANT to get on a cycle fast. This is your health bro DONT FUCK IT UP.

You are in the right place just take some time and learn first, there is no hurry its not like your getting ready for Mr.O or anything.

Take care and welcome to EF

BigGuy

Wow its hard to be nice sometimes!

 

[nemesis 2027]

Great post Hyp1. I couldn't agree more.

ALL ORAL CYCLES ARE G A Y

Great post badguy, not.. I mean the vets are trying to educate this guy, and your under educated, ignorant comment about "all oral cycles are gay" is not helping.

I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

I just got off a short 4 week (first time) oral cycle, had reasonable goals, and all went well. (rocky start however) My strength increased, appetite improved, and I was able to lose 2 lbs first and then gain back 7 solid lbs. Lost only 1 lb. since. Just the reasonable improvement in strength alone allowed me to break a plateau, gain more real muscle and move forward after years of road blocks.

Will I eventually move to the next level of injectable Test, etc.. Yes. But I am working on that medically first with the Dr. If he doesn't cooperate, 'I'll do as they do in Rome'. But until that time I have been satisfied with my results, and plan one more oral with V.ar and Dermacrine. I can assure you I am not gay. Please think before you type.

 

[chris69]

Great post badguy, not.. I mean the vets are trying to educate this guy, and your under educated, ignorant comment about "all oral cycles are gay" is not helping.

I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

I just got off a short 4 week (first time) oral cycle, had reasonable goals, and all went well. (rocky start however) My strength increased, appetite improved, and I was able to lose 2 lbs first and then gain back 7 solid lbs. Lost only 1 lb. since. Just the reasonable improvement in strength alone allowed me to break a plateau, gain more real muscle and move forward after years of road blocks.

Will I eventually move to the next level of injectable Test, etc.. Yes. But I am working on that medically first with the Dr. If he doesn't cooperate, 'I'll do as they do in Rome'. But until that time I have been satisfied with my results, and plan one more oral with V.ar and Dermacrine. I can assure you I am not gay. Please think before you type.

Great stuff guy's,loved the last "oral" comment.On a lighter note,there just alot of testosterone in here,lol! Look forward to workin with ya's.

 

[thebadguy54]

Great post badguy, not.. I mean the vets are trying to educate this guy, and your under educated, ignorant comment about "all oral cycles are gay" is not helping.

I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

I just got off a short 4 week (first time) oral cycle, had reasonable goals, and all went well. (rocky start however) My strength increased, appetite improved, and I was able to lose 2 lbs first and then gain back 7 solid lbs. Lost only 1 lb. since. Just the reasonable improvement in strength alone allowed me to break a plateau, gain more real muscle and move forward after years of road blocks.

Will I eventually move to the next level of injectable Test, etc.. Yes. But I am working on that medically first with the Dr. If he doesn't cooperate, 'I'll do as they do in Rome'. But until that time I have been satisfied with my results, and plan one more oral with V.ar and Dermacrine. I can assure you I am not gay. Please think before you type.

Didn't mean to offend you bro... but, I still think all oral cycles are ignorant, stupid, "gay", whatever the fuk you wanna call it. Just my opinion.

I was kidding around when I said "gay"... again, sorry if you found that offensive. I'll shut up now.

 

[GAUDY]

andriol is shit!

nem: I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

90% of people take oral only cycles because they are scared of needles. Not because of their goals.

The only harsh thing in this thread is stacking liver toxic orals...

Not man enough for a needle? not man enough for steroids!

 

[nemesis 2027]

Didn't mean to offend you bro... but, I still think all oral cycles are ignorant, stupid, "gay", whatever the fuk you wanna call it. Just my opinion.

I was kidding around when I said "gay"... again, sorry if you found that offensive. I'll shut up now.

No Bro not offended, but just that you're opinion may count to someone, and if it comes across as non helpful and not factual in the least, it's just wrong. Makes you look like a "badguy".. lol

If you don't agree with oral cycles that's cool and understandable. For many on this board and me included, they have their place. Maybe not in the top ten best, but they served well in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even now to some extent.

No hard feelings bro, and I do respect your opinion.

 

[thebadguy54]

No Bro not offended, but just that you're opinion may count to someone, and if it comes across as non helpful and not factual in the least, it's just wrong. Makes you look like a "badguy".. lol

If you don't agree with oral cycles that's cool and understandable. For many on this board and me included, they have their place. Maybe not in the top ten best, but they served well in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even now to some extent.

No hard feelings bro, and I do respect your opinion.

I love you too man.

 

[chris69]

andriol is shit!



90% of people take oral only cycles because they are scared of needles. Not because of their goals.

The only harsh thing in this thread is stacking liver toxic orals...

Not man enough for a needle? not man enough for steroids!

Badguy no offence taken.As for our last guru,how can you want someone to take you seriosly about your statement when you talk about not being man enough.You had great things to say about the liver toxcity.Have you had a problem in the past that your worried about how others preseve you,lol.We know your Tuff. I got alot of good feedback.If your just a ball buster and bored,i'll do without your coments,Bodybuildings is important shit to me.Unbeleivable!

 

[nemesis 2027]

andriol is shit!



90% of people take oral only cycles because they are scared of needles. Not because of their goals.

The only harsh thing in this thread is stacking liver toxic orals...

Not man enough for a needle? not man enough for steroids!

90%?? Wow you really have done some research sounds like..

OMG too funny.. If you've been arong long enough to read a few other posts you'd know that I've (others as well) seen countless big ass needles stuck in my shoulder socket draining fluid the size of Mcdonalds straws angled at the tip, and then after that fun, an equally large needle injects about 1/3 friggen cup of cortisone and some other anti-inflamatory med.. Plus he (Dr.) moves it around while injecting it. This happens 4 times a year, not to mention multiple blood tests per year, and I also donate plasma and blood as well a few times a year..

So I guess I'm not in your 90% catagory.. I think when you spout off like you are, it might just be a reflection in the mirror.. You don't know shit about needles.. Worse yet, I don't think you know shit about gear either.

 

[goin on 4T]

Get some blood work done first so you know what your natty levels are. If you don't know what they are and you start playing around with chemicals in your body there is the potential you will never know what normal is again.

 

[nemesis 2027]

I love you too man.

Damn bro, you're in danger of being a "goodguy".. lol

For the record, I love you too man, but we're not GAY!!!

 

[flexed1]

wow, so i guess here we are all pros? all of us follow intense cycles, have never asked new questions, and let me guess we are all national contenders? doubtful... to say everyone here would say dont do an oral cycle is pure bullshit. we all have different goals, different fears, and the likes. facts are my "bodybuilding career" has been filled with oral only cycles as well as oil only cycles, as well as water based cycles only. each had a purpose, and at the time i was unwilling to pump myself full of steriods. my oral only d bol cycle was a russian d bol cycle and i took between 4-7 pills a day. these were the real d bol tabs 5mg that puts any UG b dol 25, 50 ect to shame and i gained weight and size quicker then ANY cycle I ever did in my " bodybuilding career" and the only sides i had were acne, water, and increased blood pressure. i had no pin pain, no missed injections, no issue with scar tissue and the likes... facts were until i found these boards did i learn about "other cycles and compounds" but in all of my years competing and yes i competed and on a national stage my cyclse were all different and oral onlys were part of this and i gained, and i kept my gains as i worked hard, ate like a pig, and lived the sport. as you move on and want to go on a national stage you experiment with harder cycles but give the guy a break and i truly wonder how the advise you even give is actual off reading boards or living the sport there is a difference.

 

[nemesis 2027]

wow, so i guess here we are all pros? all of us follow intense cycles, have never asked new questions, and let me guess we are all national contenders? doubtful... to say everyone here would say dont do an oral cycle is pure bullshit. we all have different goals, different fears, and the likes. facts are my "bodybuilding career" has been filled with oral only cycles as well as oil only cycles, as well as water based cycles only. each had a purpose, and at the time i was unwilling to pump myself full of steriods. my oral only d bol cycle was a russian d bol cycle and i took between 4-7 pills a day. these were the real d bol tabs 5mg that puts any UG b dol 25, 50 ect to shame and i gained weight and size quicker then ANY cycle I ever did in my " bodybuilding career" and the only sides i had were acne, water, and increased blood pressure. i had no pin pain, no missed injections, no issue with scar tissue and the likes... facts were until i found these boards did i learn about "other cycles and compounds" but in all of my years competing and yes i competed and on a national stage my cyclse were all different and oral onlys were part of this and i gained, and i kept my gains as i worked hard, ate like a pig, and lived the sport. as you move on and want to go on a national stage you experiment with harder cycles but give the guy a break and i truly wonder how the advise you even give is actual off reading boards or living the sport there is a difference.

This is what I'm talking about, just can't say all that you did without the experience to back it up.. Not jumping on your bandwagon, but totally agree with your statement. Great info.

 

[GAUDY]

As for our last guru,how can you want someone to take you seriosly about your statement when you talk about not being man enough.You had great things to say about the liver toxcity.Have you had a problem in the past that your worried about how others preseve you,lol.We know your Tuff. I got alot of good feedback.If your just a ball buster and bored,i'll do without your coments,Bodybuildings is important shit to me.Unbeleivable!

lol, ok... go stack your 3 liver toxic steroids together and have a great cycle. I never said I was "Tuff" but atleast I can stick a needle in my ass when wanting to anabolic androgenic steroids cycle.

If anything should be "important" to you it should be your health (not bodybuilding), so research before you take a SHIT cycle & learn about post cycle treatment.

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NEM, I dont know about everyones individual problems on this bored, 90% was simply a number; however, every person I know of wants to do an "oral only" first cycle is because they are scared of needles. IMO you arent ready to do steroids yet. period.

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flexed: I am no way saying oral only cycles arent or shouldn't be used, my comments were directed towards a "first cycle" "newb" not someone who competes & lives the lifestyle.

 

[chris69]

lol, ok... go stack your 3 liver toxic steroids together and have a great cycle. I never said I was "Tuff" but atleast I can stick a needle in my ass when wanting to anabolic androgenic steroids cycle.

If anything should be "important" to you it should be your health (not bodybuilding), so research before you take a SHIT cycle.

happier with this post?

NEM, I dont know about everyones individual problems on this bored, 90% was simply a number; however, every person I know of wants to a "oral only" first cycle is because they are scared of needles. IMO you arent ready to do steroids yet. period.

flexed: I am no way saying oral only cycles arent or shouldn't be used, my comments were directed towards a "first cycle" "newb" not someone who competes & lives the lifestyle.

Well I got the info that i needed,Didn't mean to cause a battle,LOL,.
For some reason people answer the questions like they take it personal.Take your game personal,not mine.I Did ask for advice,so if you can give it great,reply with honesty,and without sarcasm. For thoughs with all that good info, i Added you,hope i can ask ???'s when im up on more research, for the others, go to MYSPACE and join the debate chat !lolololol

 

[GAUDY]

Well I got the info that i needed,Didn't mean to cause a battle,LOL,.
For some reason people answer the questions like they take it personal.Take your game personal,not mine.I Did ask for advice,so if you can give it great,reply with honesty,and without sarcasm. For thoughs with all that good info, i Added you,hope i can ask ???'s when im up on more research, for the others, go to MYSPACE and join the debate chat !lolololol

the man enough quote is something typically used in bodybuilding...

Why dont you want to run needles? shooting twice a week isn't bad at all, do a nice simple test cycle and you'll enjoy the results far more than doing an oral cycle.

By the end of my 4 week dbol kick start (including test) I was getting headaches, gained a lot of weight, cardio was terrible (felt like i was breathing thing air), and pumps were getting painful. I'm in the middle of week 6 out of 12 and loving it. gains are greath, strength is up, feel great. etc...

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

hey needto didnt you post up another thread about "why are oral only cycles so bad?" I know I am miss quoting what the actual thread was titled.

I have a hard time with people say oral onlys are bad. If you do it for short bursts and with proper PCT you should keep a lot fo gains. by alot I mean at least half give or take 10%. Lets say you gain 20lbs and lose 60% of this even with proper PCT that still roughly 8 lbs lets say you only keep 4 lbs of that because the other 16lbs is water that is still 4 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks.

maybe I see things differently, but why is it ok to use orals as a kick starter for 4 weeks and it is considered "safe" as long as you use injectables?

 

[nemesis 2027]

lol, ok... go stack your 3 liver toxic steroids together and have a great cycle. I never said I was "Tuff" but atleast I can stick a needle in my ass when wanting to anabolic androgenic steroids cycle.

If anything should be "important" to you it should be your health (not bodybuilding), so research before you take a SHIT cycle & learn about post cycle treatment.

=============

NEM, I dont know about everyones individual problems on this bored, 90% was simply a number; however, every person I know of wants to do an "oral only" first cycle is because they are scared of needles. IMO you arent ready to do steroids yet. period.

=============

flexed: I am no way saying oral only cycles arent or shouldn't be used, my comments were directed towards a "first cycle" "newb" not someone who competes & lives the lifestyle.

Thank you for your superfluous opinion regarding my readiness for steroids. I'll give it all the consideration it's worthy of..

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Great post badguy, not.. I mean the vets are trying to educate this guy, and your under educated, ignorant comment about "all oral cycles are gay" is not helping.

I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

I just got off a short 4 week (first time) oral cycle, had reasonable goals, and all went well. (rocky start however) My strength increased, appetite improved, and I was able to lose 2 lbs first and then gain back 7 solid lbs. Lost only 1 lb. since. Just the reasonable improvement in strength alone allowed me to break a plateau, gain more real muscle and move forward after years of road blocks.

Will I eventually move to the next level of injectable Test, etc.. Yes. But I am working on that medically first with the Dr. If he doesn't cooperate, 'I'll do as they do in Rome'. But until that time I have been satisfied with my results, and plan one more oral with V.ar and Dermacrine. I can assure you I am not gay. Please think before you type.

Good post bro

 

[ego boner]

if you are looking for oral only--- go with anavar. but i would recommend TEST for a first cycle... there are threads about how to properly inject... i was needle shy at first. after the first poke though--- no prob. dont even feel it cause the needles are so sharp....

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

lol, ok... go stack your 3 liver toxic steroids together and have a great cycle. I never said I was "Tuff" but atleast I can stick a needle in my ass when wanting to anabolic androgenic steroids cycle.

If anything should be "important" to you it should be your health (not bodybuilding), so research before you take a SHIT cycle & learn about post cycle treatment.

=============

NEM, I dont know about everyones individual problems on this bored, 90% was simply a number; however, every person I know of wants to do an "oral only" first cycle is because they are scared of needles. IMO you arent ready to do steroids yet. period.

=============

flexed: I am no way saying oral only cycles arent or shouldn't be used, my comments were directed towards a "first cycle" "newb" not someone who competes & lives the lifestyle.

I have read studies on tylenol and liver toxicity. There was one study done where the participants who were normal healthy people were givne the max dose of tylenol daily spread out over 6 hours showed an elevation of liver enzymes between 33-44%.

My point is yes oral cycles can be liver toxic but people react to things differently and can handle a short oral only cycle. Once you come off a cycle your LFTs drop back to normal. Sticking a needle in you does not make you more of a man. I thought it was penis size? lol

 

[nemesis 2027]

Good post bro

Thanks bro, just trying to keep all things fair when they get too one sided. I wasn't picking a fight with thebadguy, just trying to air out the truth.

Me and him are tighter than ever now.. He still doesn't like orals (that didn't sound right??) and that's ok. Btw, we're not gay!!

 

[GAUDY]

if you are looking for oral only--- go with anavar. but i would recommend TEST for a first cycle... there are threads about how to properly inject... i was needle shy at first. after the first poke though--- no prob. dont even feel it cause the needles are so sharp....

agree

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Thanks bro, just trying to keep all things fair when they get too one sided. I wasn't picking a fight with thebadguy, just trying to air out the truth.

Me and him are tighter than ever now.. He still doesn't like orals (that didn't sound right??) and that's ok. Btw, we're not gay!!

A man who doesnt like orals is a man w/o a dream. LOL. I know yall arent gay and whatever happenned in college was only experimenting right?

 

[chris69]

I have read studies on tylenol and liver toxicity. There was one study done where the participants who were normal healthy people were givne the max dose of tylenol daily spread out over 6 hours showed an elevation of liver enzymes between 33-44%.

My point is yes oral cycles can be liver toxic but people react to things differently and can handle a short oral only cycle. Once you come off a cycle your LFTs drop back to normal. Sticking a needle in you does not make you more of a man. I thought it was penis size? lol

O-k i'm hearing the phrase TEST alot. Is that Test 400 your refering to.
I have read alot about propionate/suspesion/enathate/cypinate, and all have advantages/disadvantages, about fat cell deposites ectt...this is some shit that i really need to hear from people w/ experiance. Love what i got so far, keep it comin.

 

[nemesis 2027]

A man who doesnt like orals is a man w/o a dream. LOL. I know yall arent gay and whatever happenned in college was only experimenting right?

Yeah man, it's all good.. Orals while on orals are awesome man!!!

I never experimented until late adulthood.. I missed out on a lot I think!!! lol

I'll always be learning something new...

 

[flexed1]

liver values as noted do go back to normal with no long term abuse... oral only 4-6 weeks will not effect your body long term unless you stay on orals... anything said otherwise is again nonsense... 4-6 weeks will not shut down your system but nolva is a good idea for reasons we all know... love "newbies" folks who have 6 million posts in a year tells you they type better then they workout.. if this hits a nerve sorry its the truth... i've been on this board 7 years I have less then 5000 posts guess i dont have time to be attached to my computer giving advise to others and knocking them. to funny, made myself laugh.. oh, please show us your contest pictures, and or just any body pics as not everyone competes. just curious. rofl

 

[chris69]

liver values as noted do go back to normal with no long term abuse... oral only 4-6 weeks will not effect your body long term unless you stay on orals... anything said otherwise is again nonsense... 4-6 weeks will not shut down your system but Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is a good idea for reasons we all know... love "newbies" folks who have 6 million posts in a year tells you they type better then they workout.. if this hits a nerve sorry its the truth... i've been on this board 7 years I have less then 5000 posts guess i dont have time to be attached to my computer giving advise to others and knocking them. to funny, made myself laugh.. oh, please show us your contest pictures, and or just any body pics as not everyone competes. just curious. rofl

Will do,I'm learing this computer..shit now,downloading ect.... Thanx bro.

 

[nemesis 2027]

liver values as noted do go back to normal with no long term abuse... oral only 4-6 weeks will not effect your body long term unless you stay on orals... anything said otherwise is again nonsense... 4-6 weeks will not shut down your system but Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is a good idea for reasons we all know... love "newbies" folks who have 6 million posts in a year tells you they type better then they workout.. if this hits a nerve sorry its the truth... i've been on this board 7 years I have less then 5000 posts guess i dont have time to be attached to my computer giving advise to others and knocking them. to funny, made myself laugh.. oh, please show us your contest pictures, and or just any body pics as not everyone competes. just curious. rofl

Like I posted earlier I had a good first lite oral cycle. I ran 20 mgs pink D.bols ed 4 weeks, and it was like I felt over twenty years ago only with more power and strength. I gave up my dream of competitive BB decades ago, but still have a dream to make reasonable body changes even if I choose to run orals only at this time. It worked for me. Even after I got off, I have continued to work out with the increased strength and intensity, and fortunatley I've kept most of what I made on the cycle. I will admit I changed my diet (cleaned it up) and ate a lot more than normal, but I also knew better that it wouldn't build muscle without a proper diet. I'm on my third (last) week of clomid now, and my boys are finally getting the tingle back. I was a bit nervous, but all seems normal again. I am bigger and stronger than I was before.. No pics yet though.. lol I have a ways to go, but it feels good to be started.

 

[thebadguy54]

A man who doesnt like orals is a man w/o a dream. LOL. I know yall arent gay and whatever happenned in college was only experimenting right?

LOL.

I don't know about you guys but this has my vote for thread of the week.

Good stuff!

 

[flexed1]

nemesis your good by me we are on the same page my friend. what bothers me is the so called experts who knock others who are learning acting as if there pros... as a former elite mod here i met many board members and was very surprised that they gave so much info and either were down right fat and had never lifted or had crappy bodies. just pains me to see otehrs quoting what " eevryone says" with no personal life experience... i take it all with a grain of salt

 

[GAUDY]

O-k i'm hearing the phrase TEST alot. Is that Test 400 your refering to.
I have read alot about propionate/suspesion/enathate/cypinate, and all have advantages/disadvantages, about fat cell deposites ectt...this is some shit that i really need to hear from people w/ experiance. Love what i got so far, keep it comin.

No, no need for the pain with test-400...

In this thread when people say test they mean test E or test C, twice a week injects for 10-12 weeks. novla for post cycle treatment.

You wont regret running a cycle like above, in my opinion.

I'm running one right now, and LOVING it.

 

[chris69]

thanx, good info bro.