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chris69 said:
O-K , Im New to this game but have decided to use some steroids.I'm 32 and hav not used anything since i was 23,and at that time i was even more ignorant and used sustinon 250. I'm dead set on Dianabol,but need to take another oral to stack.
(no needles)
I have read alot about Andiol & Winstol,but diff sites have diff info and compares these.The lbs gained show the same, but winstrol hase double the strength & fat loss.....what does this mean,also winstrol has double the side affects. Does anybody have a oral stack that has worked well.Lastly, how about NOLVADEX, some say stack it, some say post, and can you get away with using just that,or do you need clomid ect...also?

STOP before you put one thing in your body and do some MORE homework... we were all where your at now and understand the WANT to get on a cycle fast. This is your health bro DONT FUCK IT UP.

You are in the right place just take some time and learn first, there is no hurry its not like your getting ready for Mr.O or anything.

Take care and welcome to EF

BigGuy

Wow its hard to be nice sometimes!
 
thebadguy54 said:
Great post Hyp1. I couldn't agree more.

ALL ORAL CYCLES ARE G A Y :rainbow:


Great post badguy, not.. :rolleyes: I mean the vets are trying to educate this guy, and your under educated, ignorant comment about "all oral cycles are gay" is not helping.

I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

I just got off a short 4 week (first time) oral cycle, had reasonable goals, and all went well. (rocky start however) My strength increased, appetite improved, and I was able to lose 2 lbs first and then gain back 7 solid lbs. Lost only 1 lb. since. Just the reasonable improvement in strength alone allowed me to break a plateau, gain more real muscle and move forward after years of road blocks.

Will I eventually move to the next level of injectable Test, etc.. Yes. But I am working on that medically first with the Dr. If he doesn't cooperate, 'I'll do as they do in Rome'. But until that time I have been satisfied with my results, and plan one more oral with V.ar and Dermacrine. I can assure you I am not gay. Please think before you type. :mix:
 
nemesis 2027 said:
Great post badguy, not.. :rolleyes: I mean the vets are trying to educate this guy, and your under educated, ignorant comment about "all oral cycles are gay" is not helping.

I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

I just got off a short 4 week (first time) oral cycle, had reasonable goals, and all went well. (rocky start however) My strength increased, appetite improved, and I was able to lose 2 lbs first and then gain back 7 solid lbs. Lost only 1 lb. since. Just the reasonable improvement in strength alone allowed me to break a plateau, gain more real muscle and move forward after years of road blocks.

Will I eventually move to the next level of injectable Test, etc.. Yes. But I am working on that medically first with the Dr. If he doesn't cooperate, 'I'll do as they do in Rome'. But until that time I have been satisfied with my results, and plan one more oral with V.ar and Dermacrine. I can assure you I am not gay. Please think before you type. :mix:
Great stuff guy's,loved the last "oral" comment.On a lighter note,there just alot of testosterone in here,lol! Look forward to workin with ya's.
 
nemesis 2027 said:
Great post badguy, not.. :rolleyes: I mean the vets are trying to educate this guy, and your under educated, ignorant comment about "all oral cycles are gay" is not helping.

I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

I just got off a short 4 week (first time) oral cycle, had reasonable goals, and all went well. (rocky start however) My strength increased, appetite improved, and I was able to lose 2 lbs first and then gain back 7 solid lbs. Lost only 1 lb. since. Just the reasonable improvement in strength alone allowed me to break a plateau, gain more real muscle and move forward after years of road blocks.

Will I eventually move to the next level of injectable Test, etc.. Yes. But I am working on that medically first with the Dr. If he doesn't cooperate, 'I'll do as they do in Rome'. But until that time I have been satisfied with my results, and plan one more oral with V.ar and Dermacrine. I can assure you I am not gay. Please think before you type. :mix:

Didn't mean to offend you bro... but, I still think all oral cycles are ignorant, stupid, "gay", whatever the fuk you wanna call it. Just my opinion.

I was kidding around when I said "gay"... again, sorry if you found that offensive. I'll shut up now.
 
andriol is shit!

nem: I am not disagreeing with the vets here, but while not the preferred method, ceratin oral cycles when done correctly and with the appropriate goals can be worthwhile. It's like so many other posts have concluded: It depends on the individual's goals.

90% of people take oral only cycles because they are scared of needles. Not because of their goals.

The only harsh thing in this thread is stacking liver toxic orals... :p

Not man enough for a needle? not man enough for steroids!
 
thebadguy54 said:
Didn't mean to offend you bro... but, I still think all oral cycles are ignorant, stupid, "gay", whatever the fuk you wanna call it. Just my opinion.

I was kidding around when I said "gay"... again, sorry if you found that offensive. I'll shut up now.

No Bro not offended, but just that you're opinion may count to someone, and if it comes across as non helpful and not factual in the least, it's just wrong. Makes you look like a "badguy".. lol

If you don't agree with oral cycles that's cool and understandable. For many on this board and me included, they have their place. Maybe not in the top ten best, but they served well in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even now to some extent.

No hard feelings bro, and I do respect your opinion. :beer:
 
nemesis 2027 said:
No Bro not offended, but just that you're opinion may count to someone, and if it comes across as non helpful and not factual in the least, it's just wrong. Makes you look like a "badguy".. lol

If you don't agree with oral cycles that's cool and understandable. For many on this board and me included, they have their place. Maybe not in the top ten best, but they served well in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even now to some extent.

No hard feelings bro, and I do respect your opinion. :beer:

I love you too man. :)
 
GAUDY said:
andriol is shit!



90% of people take oral only cycles because they are scared of needles. Not because of their goals.

The only harsh thing in this thread is stacking liver toxic orals... :p

Not man enough for a needle? not man enough for steroids!

Badguy no offence taken.As for our last guru,how can you want someone to take you seriosly about your statement when you talk about not being man enough.You had great things to say about the liver toxcity.Have you had a problem in the past that your worried about how others preseve you,lol.We know your Tuff. I got alot of good feedback.If your just a ball buster and bored,i'll do without your coments,Bodybuildings is important shit to me.Unbeleivable!
 
GAUDY said:
andriol is shit!



90% of people take oral only cycles because they are scared of needles. Not because of their goals.

The only harsh thing in this thread is stacking liver toxic orals... :p

Not man enough for a needle? not man enough for steroids!

90%?? Wow you really have done some research sounds like..

OMG too funny.. If you've been arong long enough to read a few other posts you'd know that I've (others as well) seen countless big ass needles stuck in my shoulder socket draining fluid the size of Mcdonalds straws angled at the tip, and then after that fun, an equally large needle injects about 1/3 friggen cup of cortisone and some other anti-inflamatory med.. Plus he (Dr.) moves it around while injecting it. This happens 4 times a year, not to mention multiple blood tests per year, and I also donate plasma and blood as well a few times a year..

So I guess I'm not in your 90% catagory.. I think when you spout off like you are, it might just be a reflection in the mirror.. You don't know shit about needles.. Worse yet, I don't think you know shit about gear either. :laugh2:
 
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