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[THeMaCHinE]

I take 300-400mg 5HTP everyday. No problem interactions with ALA.

rangerx, it seems like the right thing to do on the surface; I would think that it would definitely ease the moods associated with ketosis -- which is where the orinal line of thinking was going.

But I had another thought -- one could take multigram servings of L-tryptophan before bed each night while using ala. Dosages in the range of 5+ grams/day should yield similar amounts of 5HTP (for mood control/carb cravings), but, the L-tryptophan would additionaly elevate GH levels over a sustained period as well. You'd get the ketosis of ALA, and the leaning effect of GH... Increased lethargy seems to be a potential issue, but perhaps thermogenics combined with L-tyrosine might diminish the lethargy; I definitely have to do more resarch in how to fight the lethargy... I haven't thought about it much yet.

Also, if ALA is broken down in the body via P54 or CYP3A4 enzymes (as many orally ingested substances are) then efficacy of ALA could be improved through ingestion of grapefruit extract or double-concentrated 100 percent grapefruit juices. Could get a little more bang for the buck...


ZMA sounds like a good idea although a general multimineral supplement might be better and cheaper...(ZMA may not cover all the minerals lost)

I agree, I think a mv/mm should already be in the diet; I was thinking ZMA specifically (in addition) because those substances are already greatly diminished in most athletes -- another reason for lethargy and low T levels -- that, combined with the knowledge that ALA will chelate metals, might be a good reason to suplement with ZMA during ingestion? What do you think?

I use vitamine shoppe psyllum usk capsules. I take 6-10 with a fatty meal (such as bbqd spareribs). Maybe more if I really pig out.
Care must be taken, when also using ALA. This is because ALA dissolves in oil (as well as water), and if the oil is absorbed by the psyllum husk, you will lose a substantial portion of ALA.
Just take the ALA first, eat some for a few minutes, then take the psyllum husk capsules and finish eating...

rangerx83


What is the dosage of each pill? Good info about ALA w/ psyllium.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

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[Lumberg]

Has anybody found the R-lipoic acid at Jarrow or anywhere else? I can find the ALA at Jarrow but it doesn't say anything about it being racemic or just the R- enantiomer.

JC

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Has anybody found the R-lipoic acid at Jarrow or anywhere else? I can find the ALA at Jarrow but it doesn't say anything about it being racemic or just the R- enantiomer.

JC

BackDoc knows where to get it, PM him -- you might just have to call Jarrow directly...

 

[decadense]

I just called Jarrow's 800 number. This girl said they don't sell it. I asked if she was sure and she said just one moment. Then said no. So I said there have been alot of reports that they sell it but she said they did not. Don't know the deal with that.

 

[decadense]

Ok, I called this company listed on the lipoic acid site:

Advanced Orthomolecular Research
4101 ? 19 St NE
Calgary, AB
T2E 6 X 8
http://www.aor.ca
1- 800- 387 0177

They have R-lipoic acid. The woman said it was $30 for 90 150mg capsules. Unfortunately it's in canada.

 

[tyguy]

the breakdown on r- lipoic acid:

You can get it at

http://www.lalilab.com/chemicals.htm

but it runs something like $1050 a kilo... and the manager said it is very unstable. To digest it as a human you will probably not get too much of a benefit from it.


Call them and check it out... I don't really think it is worth it unless you can find it for 1/10 that price.

LATER

Ty

 

[barnidge]

Is IceMan's R+?

 

[decadense]

The racemic mixture found in stores is half R and half S. They are not chemically combined. Isolated R would be just as stable.

 

[Lumberg]

Ok, I called this company listed on the lipoic acid site:

Advanced Orthomolecular Research
4101 ? 19 St NE
Calgary, AB
T2E 6 X 8
http://www.aor.ca
1- 800- 387 0177

They have R-lipoic acid. The woman said it was $30 for 90 150mg capsules. Unfortunately it's in canada.

Ok check my math:

90 150 mg pills is 13500 mg. Equals 54 250 mg servings. At $30 it's 56 cents per 250 mg serving, or about 56/12.5 = 4.4 times the price of our friends iceman and ty. Do is the pure r-lipoic 4.4 times as effective as the racemic mixture? And is this price in Us or canadian dollars??????

These are the questions that need to be answered before we order from this company.

JC