New Ala Results Post

[rangerx83]

First off my experiences with ala, been running it 3 weeks at 1000 to 1500mg on low carb diets >100g. To date ive lost about 10lbs mostly fat bc people are telling me i'm getting bigger, i cant really explain this except to say maybe my muscles are fuller due to excess stored glycogen, i really dont know though.

As to the question above about ketosis, in very basic terms, (which i really like to use), you deprive your body of carbs and eat mostly fats and protein, your body then starts to get its energy from these fats hence you lose weight. Just stay away from the carbs and you can eat basically whatever you want.
Thats the way i say it if anybody else wants to kick some info in,

n

The reason people think you're getting bigger is because you're getting more cut, and your muscles are also filled to the brim with glycogen+water.You probably weigh less. It's an optical illusion....
People will always think that the 180lbs guy who is extremely cut is stronger and bigger than the 210lbs guy who may have some blubber on his gut....

Now with respect to ketosis when taing ALA, since one is consuming moderate carbs, what is happening is that over time, you are depleting the glycogeb stored in your liver, but because the ALA pushed all carbs into your muscles, your liver gets very little glucose, and as a result you have ketosis while taking in carbs..

rangerx83

 

[rangerx83]

I guess I should chime in. Been using at 3000 to 4000 for about
2/3 weeks now. Results?? Da shit is trully miraculous! I have made the decision to STOP taking it for a while. I'm not happy
about it since in the time I have been taking this stuff, my body
has transformed quite a bit into a much leaner and harder
physique. Problem is, we don't know how safe this stuff is
for prolonged periods. I have been in almost CONSTANT ketosis
at about 200/300 grams of carbs per day!! Side effects???
Lethargic, and a new one that I just noticed this week. When I
move my eyes from side to side real fast, I feel a weird sensation
that is VERY uncomfortable. It's almost like a dizzy feeling. This
combined with the lethargy is the main reason I have to let up
on it for a while. The way I found it to be MOST beneficial was in
doses like this;

Breakfast 300/600 mg's
Lunch 600mg's
Postworkout 1200mg's (Ultra Fuel w whey isolate)
Postworkout meal 900mg's (This is about an hour after the shake)

The last two are THE most important. I will stop for the week, and
see how I feel. I couldn't make it to the gym all week because I
felt so tired and "out of it". Then (like the schmuck that I am) I
go tonight, and couldn't resist another 1200mg post! None
tomorrow though....I hope
g

gUiLe,
first of all I'm glad that you think the stuff is truly miraculous. I understand your concern, but didn't you just start the ALA recently? Now, as far as the length of time you were in ketosis, please be aware that ketosis is safe for extremely extended periods of time. Epileptic children are given a ketogenic diet because it prevents them from having convulsions. I assure you that they are on much longer in ketosis than you or I have been. I was using ALA for 3 months and was in ketosis for most of that time. I haven't had any problems.

The reason why I think that ALA is truly safe is because it gets out of your system so damn fast. Its half life is only 30 minutes, meaning in half an hour there will be only half left of whatever you ingested earlier. There is no build up of ALA to toxic levels in your system over time.

Coincidentally, its short half life is probably why you need to take a gram or two with each meal to get dramatically noticeable visual effects on you physique. You need to have over a certain minimum amout of ALA circulating in your blood pushing mutrients into muscle cells for about 45 minutes to an hour. I would estimate that miminum amount is 400mg of ALA.

Working backwards, in order to get a minimum of 400mg ALA for 45 minutes in your blood stream, you need to take about 1200-1500mg with each meal.


2 weeks ago I started taking 100gm+ utlrafuel with ALA 30 minutes befire working out. (i'm now taking 200gm carbs pre-workout with ALA now) And while I do feel the lethargy start, every single time, as soon as I start pumping iron, the lethargy, fatigue, and slight dizziness are replaced with amazing pumps, and incredible strength. Every time. You can't beat that.
You could also take an ECA 1-2 hours before you start the workout. That will also minimize the lethargy.And as far as the dizzyness is concerned, I too experienced that when I was dietiing down. It's a function of how much carbs you're taking with how much ALA. Increase the carbs, or lower the ALA or both...

If you wait too long after taking the pre-workout carbs+ALA, then chances are you won't make it to the gym at all!

Hope you'll give ALA a chance again once you start the hormone therapy. The results from ALA when bulking seem to surpass the results for just dieting down ...


regards,

Rangerx83

 

[TraxZBT]

Re: Re: Re: DO NOT>>>

You put G in your post workout shake?

yup.. here's my post workout shake
60 grams protein
75 grams dextrose
900 mg ALA
10 grams creatine
2ml GBL

i feel the G always relaxes me after a nice workout. It's a pretty good way to loosen up. Plus the increase in HGH isn't bad either..

I think he is talking about Glutamine...... but not sure.

nope GBL

 

[ZKaudio]

Okay, this might seem like a really really stupid question, especially comming from someone who takes pride in being a bodybuilder, but... how exactly do you know when you ARE and when your NOT in ketosis? Im ordering a shipment of ALA from iceman, and am going to start in at 1g a day, and take it from there.. I want to know though, what to expect when im in ketosis.. any specifics would be appreciated. *crawls back into dark hole*

Ketosticks... you pee on em like a home pregnancy test!...

BTW BUMP, This stuff makes me lethargic as hell. I can honestly say that for fatburning it would be an amazing combo to combine ALA with an ECA to keep the energy back up. Anyone on ECA and ALA?

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Hey rangerx,

I'm thinking of stacking in 50-100mg/day of 5HTP on my next ALA burst to improve mood and cut carb cravings; also thinking of throwing in some (generic) ZMA to replace some of the chelated materials -- and possibly reduce feelings of lethargy... What do you think?

Also, can you tell me a little bit more about how you use psyllium husk (dosages) for (bad) fat meals?

 

[gUiLe]

gUiLe,
first of all I'm glad that you think the stuff is truly miraculous. I understand your concern, but didn't you just start the ALA recently? Now, as far as the length of time you were in ketosis, please be aware that ketosis is safe for extremely extended periods of time. Epileptic children are given a ketogenic diet because it prevents them from having convulsions. I assure you that they are on much longer in ketosis than you or I have been. I was using ALA for 3 months and was in ketosis for most of that time. I haven't had any problems.

The reason why I think that ALA is truly safe is because it gets out of your system so damn fast. Its half life is only 30 minutes, meaning in half an hour there will be only half left of whatever you ingested earlier. There is no build up of ALA to toxic levels in your system over time.

Coincidentally, its short half life is probably why you need to take a gram or two with each meal to get dramatically noticeable visual effects on you physique. You need to have over a certain minimum amout of ALA circulating in your blood pushing mutrients into muscle cells for about 45 minutes to an hour. I would estimate that miminum amount is 400mg of ALA.

Working backwards, in order to get a minimum of 400mg ALA for 45 minutes in your blood stream, you need to take about 1200-1500mg with each meal.


2 weeks ago I started taking 100gm+ utlrafuel with ALA 30 minutes befire working out. (i'm now taking 200gm carbs pre-workout with ALA now) And while I do feel the lethargy start, every single time, as soon as I start pumping iron, the lethargy, fatigue, and slight dizziness are replaced with amazing pumps, and incredible strength. Every time. You can't beat that.
You could also take an ECA 1-2 hours before you start the workout. That will also minimize the lethargy.And as far as the dizzyness is concerned, I too experienced that when I was dietiing down. It's a function of how much carbs you're taking with how much ALA. Increase the carbs, or lower the ALA or both...

If you wait too long after taking the pre-workout carbs+ALA, then chances are you won't make it to the gym at all!

Hope you'll give ALA a chance again once you start the hormone therapy. The results from ALA when bulking seem to surpass the results for just dieting down ...


regards,

Rangerx83

Rangerx- Very interesting that you are now taking in so many
pre-workout carbs with your ALA. What are you eating post-workout? As far as my decision to take a break from the ALA, I
am VERY torn about it. I have never had success like this with
just about any drug let alone supplement. So for me to just stop,
very hard to do. What about cycling? I weight train 4 days a week. What about taking it ONLY on weight training days??..and
not on cardio days?? What about taking it three weeks on one
week off?..would that kind of clear the "weird feelings" that I
am getting? It's not just lethargy, I'm talking about feeling not
right. Like in a daze sometimes. Try moving your eyes back and
fourth real fast. It might be the increase in the glutithione and
only a temporary thing, but I don't like it. Also, how much EXTRA
iron are you taking in?

I am VERY anxious to hear your response on this because it
was YOU who really gave me the incentive to try upping the ALA
and so far....(besides the sides, if you can call them that) people
think I'm jucing NOW!
g

 

[gUiLe]

Rangerx- What do you think of this post?? This is pretty much
the SAME way I have been feeling.


possible nero problems from ALA

I have taken 3000 mg a day for 3 weeks and have been off for 3 weeks or so. I have this new sensation from my eye's now. If I move them fast from one side to the other this nerve sensation ingulfs my complete head. Some times I can feel the sensation all the way to my arms. I have read that ALA gets nerve ending going that have failed in patients with certain neo problems. I feel that a few of my nerves in my eyes have crossed over to the wrong nerves. Has anyone else ran into this using ALA. Please take this serious, I am not kinding.

 

[NY Muscle]

What about taking it three weeks on one
week off?..would that kind of clear the "weird feelings" that I
am getting? It's not just lethargy, I'm talking about feeling not
right. Like in a daze sometimes. Try moving your eyes back and
fourth real fast. It might be the increase in the glutithione and
only a temporary thing, but I don't like it.
g

Everyone, this is so simple, I think its just too simple you over look it,…its called LOW BLOOD SUGAR….take a shot of insulin and wait 30 minues..how do u feel? VERY similar to this “foggy” feeling we are all feeling….ALA is a POWERFUL glucose disposal agent, does its job so well that it gives insulin like side effects….i took 500mg last night with my post w/o shake which only had 25gms of carbs in it, and I also did some cardio b4 the post w/o shake…for 2 hrs after I felt like shit and had to lower my radio cause the slightest nose made me nauseous….

 

[gUiLe]

NYMuscle- I hear what your saying and it TOTALLY makes sense,
but...your telling me you took 500 with your post workout shake.
I am taking 1200 to1500mg with my post workout shake. Quite
a difference. I guess I am just trying to say that we still don't know how safe it is to take 3 to 4 grams of ALA for prolonged periods of time. How much do you take? I read a LOT of people
who are giving opinions, but are only using 1200 a day! Today,
I didn't take ANY ALA and STILL feel in a fog. I am ONLY in
trace ketosis now and took in plenty of carbs today (WHole wheat
bagel w egg whites).
g

 

[NY Muscle]

guile -

Well 25 gms of carbs and I took 500mg of ALA I think that’s PLENTY to take with such low amount of carbs…im dieting now and started ALA last week, I take maybe 1500mg a day maybe 2000, im eating less than 125-150gms of carbs a day so more than what im taking is gonna be a waist… the reason you still feel shitty is because of the high dose you are taking and also because ALA is a sulfur containing compound (hence the nasty piss smell which is NOT KETONES), too much of that sulfur may be the culprit behind the EXTENDED feeling of crap….just a guess..

I dont feel these other side effects you get just heartburn occassionaly. im gonna try 900-1000mg b4 lifting with some carbs and see how that works, i need a good pump.