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Never Ending Knee Pain!!!
- Thread starter Mr. Pull
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zygla and i have been preaching from our respective pulpits on threads like this for years it seems.
i've had one prolo treatment but couldn't get another before i left for my football season. i'm going to start up treatments again when i return home. i'm all for prolo, but (nothing against zygla!) i really feel ART is the way to go first. ART is cheap and immediate. i say go see what it does for you. prolotherapy will definitely help you too, but it very expensive and can take months for the results to show.
by the way, zygla... you promised that if i gave prolo a try, you'd start getting some ART!!!
i've had one prolo treatment but couldn't get another before i left for my football season. i'm going to start up treatments again when i return home. i'm all for prolo, but (nothing against zygla!) i really feel ART is the way to go first. ART is cheap and immediate. i say go see what it does for you. prolotherapy will definitely help you too, but it very expensive and can take months for the results to show.
by the way, zygla... you promised that if i gave prolo a try, you'd start getting some ART!!!
LOL, luckily I havent needed it. Got a site where I can find a doc in my area I will look one up so I have the info handySCG2 said:
I think Art is great for more minor injuries, but in this case where he has had a tendon tear and now developing arthritis I think its a bit beyonds arts capabilites......but I could be wrong
Glucosamine is great at building cartlidge bt not all joint problems are due to lack of cartilidge.
ART isn't that cheap and usually not covered by insurance. It's great for some injuries but useless for others. (Much like chiropractics) It's best in cases where the injury hasn't progessed too far, which doesn't sound like the case with you.
I have a similar situation with my knee. At first, it was misdiagnosed as arthritis, but it's a meniscus tear. There's nothing that can be done besides surgery because it rarely heals on its own (due to limited blood supply in the area). Maybe you tore it again, or that injection you spoke of ripped it. (I will never understand quad injections. Ever see a doctor inject in a quad?) At an rate, it's X-ray and MRI time again. Sorry bro. Feel better.
ART isn't that cheap and usually not covered by insurance. It's great for some injuries but useless for others. (Much like chiropractics) It's best in cases where the injury hasn't progessed too far, which doesn't sound like the case with you.
I have a similar situation with my knee. At first, it was misdiagnosed as arthritis, but it's a meniscus tear. There's nothing that can be done besides surgery because it rarely heals on its own (due to limited blood supply in the area). Maybe you tore it again, or that injection you spoke of ripped it. (I will never understand quad injections. Ever see a doctor inject in a quad?) At an rate, it's X-ray and MRI time again. Sorry bro. Feel better.
Unless its a complete tear it can and will heal on its own if allowed to. Inflamation is a key element in triggering a cascade of healing events, anti-inflamatories interfere with this natural process. Tendon/ligament tissue has a normal turnover rate of 300-500 days but inflamation speeds it up significantly. Prolotherapy targets the injury with specific inflamation and works wonders for these types of injuries. Surgery often leads to nothing but more problems. As Mr. Pull stated he already had surgery and is still having problems. I would bet that had he sought prolo from the start he could have not only avoided surgery but would likely be recovered by now.Nelson Montana said:
Zyg: check out www.activerelease.com. there is a function on the main page that lets you search for practitioners in your area. i wish i could say i haven't needed the treatment!!!
nelson: actually, because most ART providers are chiropracters, insurance does in fact cover it. most ART treatments run between $35 and $50 withOUT insurance. with insurance, my copay is $20. compare that to the $500 for my first prolo session. i'm supposed to need roughly 8 more sessions at around $350 a pop.
I understand that mr. pull's injury sounds more on the serious side. BUT... if the problem is at all soft-tissue related, ART will help. severity has nothing to do with whether ART works. I've had 3rd degree muscle tears and dislocated joints fixed by ART. i still say its worth a shot.
nelson: actually, because most ART providers are chiropracters, insurance does in fact cover it. most ART treatments run between $35 and $50 withOUT insurance. with insurance, my copay is $20. compare that to the $500 for my first prolo session. i'm supposed to need roughly 8 more sessions at around $350 a pop.
I understand that mr. pull's injury sounds more on the serious side. BUT... if the problem is at all soft-tissue related, ART will help. severity has nothing to do with whether ART works. I've had 3rd degree muscle tears and dislocated joints fixed by ART. i still say its worth a shot.
SCG2 said:
Agreed. What I was trying to convey is that ART won't do much for things like breaks or tears. It's fantasic for internal scar tissue, knots, spasms, tendonitus, carpal tunnel, bursitus etc which can lead to more serious injuries, but if the tendon is ripped, ART won't heal it.
BTW: I'm convinced that accupuncture is a close cousin to quackery. It will relieve pain in some cases, but the relief is temporary and it heals nothing.
Stangfriik
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I had surgery for a anterior meniscus tear over 3 years ago. I also tore the right but didnt' know about it until post surgery on my left. Since it was a worker's comp case, I wasn't allowed to have surgery on my right b/c it was never documented. Well I still have the pain in my left and right knees. Frrst few sets of squats are very painfull. Can't cross my legs or even prop my foot on my knee b/c of the pain. Rest, light weights, surgery didn't help. I truly believe that you won't be pain free from something like this unless you're a pro athlete with connections to pro therapists
Unfortunatly there could be nothing farther from the truth. In actuality those not in professional sports are much more likely to recover because they are not being pressure to perform and hence they can be given actual treatments to heal problems and not just way to help them "get by". If your having post surgery pain prolo can work wonders. More often than not post surgery treatment recomendation prevent healing and your left in a weakened state.Stangfriik said:
40butpumpin
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SCG2 said:
"months"? All due respect bro but I had complete recovery of a severe elbow tendonitis after two visits and I haven't had a problem since. My pain was so bad I couldn't do a curl with a 20lb db. I've heard a lot about ART and it definitely has its place, however, prolo will actually renew a loose, weakened or damaged tendon. For that I don't know that anything can even touch prolo.
