Nervous breakdown...

[bigrand]

Hey bros,

A little over a week ago, one afternoon, i just started having these horrible feelings of dread, fear, anxiety, and nervousness all day everyday. It was so bad i would have the shakes and be sick to my stomach all day. Saw some docs and a shrink. I had been off halo and fina for 5 days and was on yburn, clomid at 100mg and ripped fuel extreme until this shit happened. Ive gotten better, but still wake up early every morning shaky and very nervous and anxious over nothing. Doc gave some benzos and advised me to see a shrink. My toxocology tests showed i was clean (i dont think they test for chem imbalances in the brain, which stims can cause). Anyway, a toxocologist and endocrineologist both said it wasnt the drugs that caused the attack.

Anyone every experience anything like this before? If so, when did it go away? I dont wanna be put on any anti-ds or anti-as, or have to see a shrink regularly.....

 

[todiu]

Why no anti depressants

I know you said you don't want anti depressants, but I went through the same thing bro, my doctor was a proffesor at ucla neuropsychiatric, said I had a substance enduced anxiety, and accompaning depression, I couldnt sleep, would wake up in sweats, thought I was going crazy, and thought I was going to die, it was not pretty, he put me on Sinequan (doxepin) 150 mgs. a day at night, in 3 weeks I was feeling better, in 4 weeks I was happy real happy, sinequan is a tricyclic anti depressant, a tried and proved drug, will help with both anxiety and depression, I highly reccomend it, and you sleep like a baby. This doc was against benzos, but gave me a few for the first 3 weeks till the d kicked in, I know you may feel hopeless or in bad shape, but don't let these docs give you Prozac or Zoloft, my doc said these are drugs that are new and high priced, so docs get kickbacks for prescribing them so insist on Sinequan. Good luck.

 

[Silent Method]

Bigrand, sorry to hear about that. There are many dynamic factors involved here.

As far as the drugs you were using, even if they were not causal, my gut says the were a factor. Lets assume for argument sake that your anxiety and accompanying symptoms were purely psychologically grounded. Even so, the drugs you were on likely aggravated the condition. Stating that they were not causal is one thing, but if your endocrineologist especially did not feel that they were a factor, I'd be looking for a new doc.

As far as advice, I'm not a doctor so I will only offer you this. As a being, your mind, body, and spirit are not fulfilled as seprate entities. They must be unified. Our culture teaches us to segregate what nature would have us merge into one.

This may sound like some yoda bullshit but I'm being serious - find your inner peace and cultivate it.

If your looking into a shrink, you'll probably find that you can have a pretty good experience with them. Keep in mind there are different types of shrinks and, just as among any group of people, good ones and bad ones.

 

[Sadist]

It does sound like panic attacks. Taking an anti-d and a non-addictive anti-a like Buspar may be helpful for you. You may have to deal with this until you develop ways to deal with it on your own (assuming its not a physical problem brought on by a chemical imbalance). I would highly recommend not taking doxepin though,it has a high incidence of side effects one of which is gyno from high prolactin.

 

[GaryWary]

inositol and a b-complex may help.

 

[CLEMDOG]

I feel ya bud. I had the same kind of thing happen a few weeks ago, but it only happened a few times and went away pretty quickly. The first time it happened I was sitting down studying for an exam and boom, all of a sudden, for no apparent reason I had this overwhelming BAD feeling. It is somewhat hard to explain, but I felt something was wrong and that at any moment I could snap into some kind of insanity. It was very uncomfortable, I didnt feel right anywhere. Fortunately it went away within about an hour and only happened once again a day or two later and was less intense.

The only thing I can relate the experience to is that I had tried the psychoactive drug Salvia Divinorium several times over the last week and a half before it had happened. Needless to say, I stopped that pretty quickly.

Anytime something like this happens, and the degree to which it did occur for you, it does have to do with some type of chemical imbalance and could have been directly related to some type of substance use.

 

[CRNT93]

Yup,it's panic attacs and generalised anxiety for sure and
I'm personally certain the drugs triggered it.All of those can
cause it individually and you were combining all three.
My advice if it doesn't clear quickly is to start an anti-D soon
because if it continues for long it will develop into agoraphobia.

 

[therookie]

Hey bros,

A little over a week ago, one afternoon, i just started having these horrible feelings of dread, fear, anxiety, and nervousness all day everyday. It was so bad i would have the shakes and be sick to my stomach all day. Saw some docs and a shrink. I had been off halo and fina for 5 days and was on yburn, clomid at 100mg and ripped fuel extreme until this shit happened. Ive gotten better, but still wake up early every morning shaky and very nervous and anxious over nothing. Doc gave some benzos and advised me to see a shrink. My toxocology tests showed i was clean (i dont think they test for chem imbalances in the brain, which stims can cause). Anyway, a toxocologist and endocrineologist both said it wasnt the drugs that caused the attack.

Anyone every experience anything like this before? If so, when did it go away? I dont wanna be put on any anti-ds or anti-as, or have to see a shrink regularly.....

Dude dont sweat it, a year ago i was taking Clen And Beta--Lean...I ended up in the Emergengy Room one night because i thought i was having a heart attack, chest got tight, heart racing, very nervous....They did a Million $$ work up on me and it just turned out to be anxiety...Gave me a Vallium drip and a Xanax Script. If you wanna take all that stuff thats what happens to some of us, others can deal with it...Anxiety is a scary and terrible thing...Hang in there, if you need to be on a med, I am on zolft for anxiety...Its a godsend

 

[Green]

prozac saved my life about 1.5 years ago. I ran into the same shit and WOW what a shitty feeling. I did a 6 month treatment at 20mg/day and tappered off. I've been off it over a year now and I'm a bullet proof bad ass. Don't turn your nose to treatment. It's like a skinny bastard turning his nose to juice. You can fix it both ways but with medication things work out much faster.

 

[bigrand]

THanx for all the replies bros...
I dont think it was a panic attack, it went on pretty bad for like 4 days straight before it started getting better, im still not the same yet, but gettin there. Ive never had a problem with anxiety or depression in my life (at least not that big of a problem), so i dont think i have a severe underlying problem, thats why i dont wanna get invollved in some year long meds and shrink visits. Ill talk with a KAiser shrink and see what they say as well as see my PCP.
The only problem i have now is waking up in the mornings nervous and anxious, not depressed, i have been getting happier latley as compared to last week, but every morning, the anxiety hits me. By afternoon, i feel pretty normal.

 

[Doublewide]

My wife used to have panic attacks and they sound just like what you describe. Hers got a little worse though. Doc prescribed Paxil and she has been fine since. I think it is a wonder drug. It changed her life.

 

[bigrand]

I could see getting an anti-a or anti-d if i had a problem with panic attacks before, but i have never had a problem with them, ever. THe only panic attacks i had were when i had a horrible reaction to DNP, and my first injection. Those type of panic attacks were very short lived, like a few minutes. This one i had a week and a half ago was more like 4 days long and only alleviated when i was with all my friends staying mad busy. Thats why i think it was drung induced. I know stims fuck with neurotransmitters.

could also be the high doses of clomid i was taking.
Never heard of AAS causing such a bad anxiety problem, so i aint stoppin the juice, just the stims.

 

[pittbull2]

I had the same thing happen to me years ago, when an-ti s wouldn't used coming off and all the sudden fellings of dome started and very nervous fellings, like i was going to lose it or something was going to happen to me and i went to the doc never told him i just came off but he done blood tests and found out i was hypothyroid. When the thyroid goes off you can fell them feelings so if the doc hadn't done a TSH test on you i would get one done just to make sure.

 

[bigrand]

Had a CBC, TSH, and urine tox screen, all came up clean. So even with all the shit i was takin, i was basically healthy, except for the brain thing, which i never expected.

 

[jevans]

I know what you're going through and I've been there. Becareful with all the stimulants you take from now on. I know you say you've never had panic attacks before but this could be the beginning of a nightmare. I had my first panic attack when I was 22. I was driving along on the highway on my way back from school and then all of a sudden my heart started palpitating and beating extremely fast. I had a sudden feeling of doom and gloom like I was going to die and my body flashed hot. This is some pretty scary shit to have happen to you when you're just standing around but when you're driving on the freeway in heavy traffic it makes it that much worse. Oh damn I'm gonna die and then I'm gonna kill everyone else around me when I go. Well, I didn't die but I paid a visit to my general practitioner and luckily she knew right away what it was and sent me to a psychiatrist. I've taken Effexor XR in the past and it worked great except for the fact that it made me soooooooo fucking tired all the time. I'm 26 now I've gotten a handle on the whole deal but it's still a struggle every now and then. Here are some pointers that I've picked up along the way.

Stay away from Fina if you're not going to take any meds to deal with the anxiety. That shit had me whacked out 24/7.

Stay away from all the Thermos. It you have anxiety or PA's and you take this shit then you're asking for trouble. At one point my CNS was so sensitive I couldn't drink a large coke without getting jittery and nervous because of the caffeine.

For some reason ALA makes my heart palpitate and makes me light headed about an hour after I take it. Probably doesn't happen to anyone else but if anyone can learn from my experiences and avoid a bad experience then so be it.

People with anxiety problems are always thinking there is something wrong with them physically and this does not help much if you're doing a cycle of roids. I know the sides and dangers are blown out of proportion and you know it as well but in the back of our minds we're always thinking "What if....." so using roids can bring out the anxiety as well. It's not always the actual hormone causing the anxiety but the way you're thinking when you're taking it. Learn to relax or step away from the plate. I personally had to step away from the plate.

I read here once that taking inositol would help. It didn't do shit for me but give me some really bad gas and stomach cramps. Don't waste you're money if you suspect a real problem developing.

President Franklin Roosevelt once said that we have nothing to fear but fear itself and fear itself is damn scary.

If you ever have any questions about this feel free to email me [email protected]

 

[bigrand]

Thanx Jevans, ill let you know if i have any ?'s

As far as going on another cycle, im sure i can. I went on an 8 weeker and came off cold for 3 weeks with no problems before i hit the juice again. I didnt actually have this happen till i was taking 2 stims (ECA and Yburn) along with clomid and nolva, not to mention an ocational few percodan or dilaudid. I will stick to compouds like test, drol, bol, and stay away from fina and halo cuz they seem to have the biggest effect on mood. Test and bol didnt do shit as far as my head, but fina and halo pissed me off.

 

[OMEGA]

I think it is related to drugs

and now that you doing clomid, large doses of ephedrine

your thowing your body off

you just came off a cycle

that alone will have a debilitating effect on your libido, body, and mental state

then you combine that my taking ephedrine, and clomid....

well ......... its hard on you

so take a break and youll be okay

just hit the liquedex to stave off estrogen, and youll be ok till your up to speed again

goodluck

 

[bigrand]

Thanx omega,
i figured i went a little too balls to wall trying to cut right after a cycle (hey i lost 23 lbs in 3 weeks though, and most was fat)!