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alien amp pharm said:
I can relate. That is my main/only gripe about fina. Needles get old after a while.
Nelson Montana, why are you so against fina?
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I can relate. That is my main/only gripe about fina. Needles get old after a while.
I hate these my steroid is better/bigger than your steroid arguments, absolutely nothing positive ever comes from them that couldn't be discussed in a more civil thread.
Their are many steroids to chose from, you need to carefully test many and measure your PERSONAL response to them via blood tests, performance and other non health sides such as acne.
General statements such as "fina bad, deca gooooood" are worthless.
Their are many steroids to chose from, you need to carefully test many and measure your PERSONAL response to them via blood tests, performance and other non health sides such as acne.
General statements such as "fina bad, deca gooooood" are worthless.
I´d be really interested in what those "better choices" instead of fina would be?
Deca:
shuts you down just as hard, gives water retention as well as progesteronic side effects, will never give you the strenght and look tren can give you
test:
at doses high doses (only high doses can compete with trenbolones anabolic properties) cause massive side effects, if you use aromatase inhibitors, lipid profile will be fucked as well, without them massive bloat can cause high blood pressure....
will shut you down quite hard, causes hair loss, Prostate enlargement....
Winny:
liver toxic, hard on hair line, fucks up lipid profile really bad, might cause joint problems
Primo:
causes massive hair loss, is somewaht liver toxic and cannot compete with trenbolones properties at all, extremely expensive
EQ:
to achieve gains comaparable to fina high doses must be used which can cause elevated blood pressure, an increase in heart rate, anxiety, and an increase in blood viscosisty like no other roid out there (except oxymetholone)
D-bol/A-bombs:
I don´t really have to go into that, have I?
Oxandrolone:
now here´s a serious competitor of fina regarding strenght gains and anabolic properties. At 100mg/day (many use fina at that dosage) it might give very good results with little toxicity and moderate HTPA impairtment. I´m not sure about the liver issue, though.
Now I´d like to hear what makes the roids I mentioned (there aren´t many others left, I think, exotic stuff like masteron I do not care about) so much better choices?
Any steroid used at dosages that will yield tren like results will give you massive side effects, so I don´t buy that shit, sorry Nelson.
Tren might cause serious side effects for some users, many others can tolerate it. HTPA will recover from fina (if you don´t use it for 20 weks straight) just as it will recover from testosterone, which shuts you down fully just like fina does, not to talk about deca.
I think it´s just narrow minded prejudice or a generalisation of personal preferences that makes some people "anti fina advocates", there´s no science behind those claims. You might have written a book, but you seem to be a bit narrow minded on too many issues.
Deca:
shuts you down just as hard, gives water retention as well as progesteronic side effects, will never give you the strenght and look tren can give you
test:
at doses high doses (only high doses can compete with trenbolones anabolic properties) cause massive side effects, if you use aromatase inhibitors, lipid profile will be fucked as well, without them massive bloat can cause high blood pressure....
will shut you down quite hard, causes hair loss, Prostate enlargement....
Winny:
liver toxic, hard on hair line, fucks up lipid profile really bad, might cause joint problems
Primo:
causes massive hair loss, is somewaht liver toxic and cannot compete with trenbolones properties at all, extremely expensive
EQ:
to achieve gains comaparable to fina high doses must be used which can cause elevated blood pressure, an increase in heart rate, anxiety, and an increase in blood viscosisty like no other roid out there (except oxymetholone)
D-bol/A-bombs:
I don´t really have to go into that, have I?
Oxandrolone:
now here´s a serious competitor of fina regarding strenght gains and anabolic properties. At 100mg/day (many use fina at that dosage) it might give very good results with little toxicity and moderate HTPA impairtment. I´m not sure about the liver issue, though.
Now I´d like to hear what makes the roids I mentioned (there aren´t many others left, I think, exotic stuff like masteron I do not care about) so much better choices?
Any steroid used at dosages that will yield tren like results will give you massive side effects, so I don´t buy that shit, sorry Nelson.
Tren might cause serious side effects for some users, many others can tolerate it. HTPA will recover from fina (if you don´t use it for 20 weks straight) just as it will recover from testosterone, which shuts you down fully just like fina does, not to talk about deca.
I think it´s just narrow minded prejudice or a generalisation of personal preferences that makes some people "anti fina advocates", there´s no science behind those claims. You might have written a book, but you seem to be a bit narrow minded on too many issues.
gainerxxl: You;re on to me. I have a big problem with the people who make fina so I woke up one morning and decided I was going to be narrow minded toward them.
But I'll play ball.
Deca sucks.
All the testosterones is far superior. You say "at high dosages" Well, you can make great gains at reasonable dosages. All steroids are based on T in one way or another. Most side effects can be avoided if used properly.
Ox is better.
D-bol and Anadrol shouldn't even be in the same catagory. Mr for mg, D-bol is the most effective steroid,whereas mg for mg Anadrol is one of the weakest. (Now before we hear from all the Anadrol fans who claim it's so strong, I said MG PER MG.)
Primo does not cause massive hair loss. It's extremely effective if used correctly. And price is not an issue. I wouldn't drink piss just because it's cheaper than Carernet Sauvignon. There are some things where you shouldn't bargain shop, and roids are one of them.
Winny has it's advantages (won't aromatize, doesnt bloat, not very suppresive) but the LDL thing is a concern, but it isn't that much of an issue if you keep the duration short. I'd still use it over fina, which is far worse in that regard.
Now try opening YOUR mind before you go accusing people of being close minded just because their opinion is different from yours.
But I'll play ball.
Deca sucks.
All the testosterones is far superior. You say "at high dosages" Well, you can make great gains at reasonable dosages. All steroids are based on T in one way or another. Most side effects can be avoided if used properly.
Ox is better.
D-bol and Anadrol shouldn't even be in the same catagory. Mr for mg, D-bol is the most effective steroid,whereas mg for mg Anadrol is one of the weakest. (Now before we hear from all the Anadrol fans who claim it's so strong, I said MG PER MG.)
Primo does not cause massive hair loss. It's extremely effective if used correctly. And price is not an issue. I wouldn't drink piss just because it's cheaper than Carernet Sauvignon. There are some things where you shouldn't bargain shop, and roids are one of them.
Winny has it's advantages (won't aromatize, doesnt bloat, not very suppresive) but the LDL thing is a concern, but it isn't that much of an issue if you keep the duration short. I'd still use it over fina, which is far worse in that regard.
Now try opening YOUR mind before you go accusing people of being close minded just because their opinion is different from yours.
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Spectre said:
My steroids could beat up your steroids.
macrophage69alpha
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B182 said:
tren- SPRM
clom and nolva- SERM
btw- what that means is SELECTIVE (insert hormone) RECEPTOR MODULATOR.
clomid and tamoxifin both act as estrogens... there actually is no such thing as an "anti-estrogen", though it is a convenient title.
these drugs are mixed agonist/antagonists of the ER..
btw-- final note-- activity at receptor and transcription VARY.. and this varies between tissues...
some misconceptions that are WIDESPREAD.
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Frackal
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Deca doesnt suck. On it now, no nasty bloating like with test, great gains, no hairloss, my skin doesnt look 10 years + my age, feel great.... we'll see when I come off, but I had little problem last time... getting sick of the anti-deca whining. And I would bet that tren will supress you more severely than deca in many cases.
Damn dude, a little defensive aren't we? I thought that gainerxxl was pretty civil in his reply. He can correct me if I'm wrong here but I think his referring to you as close-minded has to do with your staunch refusal to even entertain the idea that fina and other "vet" drugs may actually work quite well for a lot of people with minimum sides; even though you have never tried these drugs yourself. Your bias seems to stem from their status as "vet" drugs even though you have no science to back your claims. My honest opinion is that you are an intelligent man but you don't know anything about biology or chemistry. If you did, you would understand a few things:Nelson Montana said:
1) that there is no difference in animal testosterone receptors and human ones. Horses and cows produce the same testosterone that you do.
2) the ester on the compound contributes NOTHING to its activity other than increasing or decreasing the release rate of the active hormone. Parabolan (a steroid designed for human use) releases the very same active hormone that fina does, TRENBOLONE. There is functionally NO DIFFERENCE between fina and parabolan.
3) Sterility doesn't have to be an issue. Simply filtering the oil through a 0.2 micron sterile filter into a sterile vial makes it completely sterile. It even takes out tiny staph spores. This is the technique used in cell culture laboritories across the world to insure that growth media and other reagents are 100% sterile. It's very easy; I can do 100 mL in about an hour.
OK, now that THAT is out of the way..
"deca sucks " Well, that is very subjective and different people react in different ways to any drug. To some, I'm sure it does suck. To others, it's a great drug with few sides. Without actually trying it, you have no way to gauge it's effectiveness on you individually. You don't know if it would shut you down and give you titties or if it would make you gain well without a hint of gyno.
"All the testosterones is far superior. You say "at high dosages" Well, you can make great gains at reasonable dosages. All steroids are based on T in one way or another. Most side effects can be avoided if used properly." This is true, however, I think you missed his point. I think what he was trying to say was that since tren is 3 times more androgenic than test, you would have to use 3 times more test to have an equivalent dose of androgen. It is true that good gains can be made on "reasonable" dosages. It is also true that those same gains can be had on 2 to 3 times LESS fina. Your statement that "Most side effects can be avoided if used properly." is true for most people but is again subjective. Some are more sensitive than others. I have known people to get gyno on 250 mg a week of test enanthate. Also, your statement is true of fina as well as test; at least for most people. Sides can usually be controlled with proper use.
"Primo does not cause massive hair loss....." Again, that is different for different people. For some, it WILL cause hairloss. For others it won't. The only way to tell which one you are is to use primo and find out. Fina has somewhat of a rep for hairloss but it didn't effect me that way at all. For others, fina is hell on the hairline.
-Spidey
Spidy: If I sound defensive maybe it's because I'm trying to address every issue put to me.
This whole "being close minded " stance is prepostereous. Why would I decide to be close mided against something -- just for the hell of it? The sides of fina are well known. Those are my reasons.
You make claims like I never took Deca. I've taken plenty of Deca. I wouldn't use it again if you paid me. I know what I'm talking about.
Everything else you say is nothing I don't know. Are you trying to be condesending or am I just being defensive?
I swear, some people will agrue anything just for the sake of arguing. And all the evidence in the world wont sway them.
Hey bro, take all the home filtered cow medicine you want. No skin off my back.
This whole "being close minded " stance is prepostereous. Why would I decide to be close mided against something -- just for the hell of it? The sides of fina are well known. Those are my reasons.
You make claims like I never took Deca. I've taken plenty of Deca. I wouldn't use it again if you paid me. I know what I'm talking about.
Everything else you say is nothing I don't know. Are you trying to be condesending or am I just being defensive?
I swear, some people will agrue anything just for the sake of arguing. And all the evidence in the world wont sway them.
Hey bro, take all the home filtered cow medicine you want. No skin off my back.
