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Nelson Montana, why are you so against fina?
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Tren is a very good roid IMHO BUT it is very androgenic .
Nothing beats it for strength and when used with test is is UNREAL as a mass/strength builder. Many vets use it as a base to every cycle.
It is about three times as androgenic as testmg/mg...SO...you get bad acne, its hard on the hair, hdl dissappears(as it does with most roids and test)
Like testosterone in large doses tren probably isn't a friend of the prostate...although I think tests is worse.
It is very suppressive but even 200 of test per week will shut you down all the way in five weeks making LH and LHRH undectectable.....tren will domit quicker but full shut down is full shut down bro's.
Nandrolone seems to be harder to recover from and it has something to due with how it affects the testes.
If you are going to do roids then be aware that you will totally shut down HPTA unless you use low dose primo or maybe anavar for only a few weeks...maybe 400 of primo for 10 weeks will not shut you down all the way.
Tren is not hard on the kidneys thats a myth for sure.
All roids act upon the PR receptor but tren and deca do so more....it is a progestin and not progesterone. Progestins and even progesterone itself will not cause GYNO.... estrogen causes gyno.
OH...home made tren is sterile....the BA will kill the bugs and the filtering will get any that are not killed. You can also pasturize all your gear(vials) in a water bath for 30 minutes at 165 degrees F ...that will make it 110% safe.
If you guys want proof then come over to www.cuttingedgemuscle and read the studies.
Nothing beats it for strength and when used with test is is UNREAL as a mass/strength builder. Many vets use it as a base to every cycle.
It is about three times as androgenic as testmg/mg...SO...you get bad acne, its hard on the hair, hdl dissappears(as it does with most roids and test)
Like testosterone in large doses tren probably isn't a friend of the prostate...although I think tests is worse.
It is very suppressive but even 200 of test per week will shut you down all the way in five weeks making LH and LHRH undectectable.....tren will domit quicker but full shut down is full shut down bro's.
Nandrolone seems to be harder to recover from and it has something to due with how it affects the testes.
If you are going to do roids then be aware that you will totally shut down HPTA unless you use low dose primo or maybe anavar for only a few weeks...maybe 400 of primo for 10 weeks will not shut you down all the way.
Tren is not hard on the kidneys thats a myth for sure.
All roids act upon the PR receptor but tren and deca do so more....it is a progestin and not progesterone. Progestins and even progesterone itself will not cause GYNO.... estrogen causes gyno.
OH...home made tren is sterile....the BA will kill the bugs and the filtering will get any that are not killed. You can also pasturize all your gear(vials) in a water bath for 30 minutes at 165 degrees F ...that will make it 110% safe.
If you guys want proof then come over to www.cuttingedgemuscle and read the studies.
No, you sound defensive because of the caustic nature in which you answer the issues put before you. It seems that you think everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and that they are being malicious and/or condesending.Nelson Montana said:
Being close-minded is not something one "decides" to do; at least not conciously. Being close-mided is when one refuses to even consider one side or the other of an issue. You decide if that fits you.Nelson Montana said:
Go back and read my post again. I never made that claim. What I said was "Without actually trying it, you have no way to gauge it's effectiveness on you individually." That wasn't meant to imply that you yourself hadn't tried it. It simply meant what it said, that without trying it there is no way to know bla bla... Perhaps I should have used the word "one" in place of "you". OK, you tried it; you hated it. It's not a good drug for you. That doesn't mean it's that way for everyone.Nelson Montana said:
Ohhh, I see. You already knew that stuff. So that post where you claimed that fina targets "animal receptors" and test targets "human receptors" must have been a joke, huh?Nelson Montana said:
Uhmm, I thought that was the definition of a debate. You know, the airing of conflicting sides to an issue? I swear, you are one of the most pompus ASSES I have never met. You may know your stuff when it comes to many areas of bodybuilding but no one knows everything and when it comes to science, you don't know JACK. BTW, you haven't presented any "evidence". All you have put forth is ancedotal and much of it is either totally refuted by science or is different for each individual. Case in point, fina causes hairloss and acne. Well, it caused neither in me. Test on the other hand, gave me insane acne in just a few weeks.Nelson Montana [/i]Are you trying to be condesending or am I just being defensive? [/B][/QUOTE]You're being defensive. You see said:
You know what? You obviously don't give a rat's ass what I think and frankly, I am through being talked to like I am some punk-ass kid with a science degree who doesn't deserve any respect. This is the last thread I will bother you on.
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