Nelson Montana-I'm calling you out!

[Nelson Montana]

For the record: I never said aerobics had no benifit. My point is, again, that they are less effective than weight training, therefore there's no need to do them. If you need to burn more fat, work out more.

Interval raining is similar to high rep weight training with short rest periods, except that high rep weight lifting will increase mitochondria which leads to more potential muscle growth. Aerobics does not.

Every study I've seen concerning the benefits of training on an empty stomach has been flawed -- like the one where they tested the subjects in a fasted state, then weeks later tested them in an unfasted state and the fat loss was slightly less. Duh. Fat loss is always greater at the beginning of an exercise regime.

Thanks for the posted study j. Never saw that one. But it isn't something I didn't already know. : )

 

[Ulter]

Can someone shoot this thread and put it out of it's misery?

 

[Thaibox]

Can someone shoot this thread and put it out of it's misery?

Might as well.
Trying to have a mature, beneficial discussion with this guy is a waste of time.

 

[Fonz]

<Fonz keeps munching on some high-protein popcorn>

This thread is a hoot..............

Fonz

 

[MohawkMuscle]

Im going to add to the fun!


Nelson! Can you swallow winni??

 

[gtaman]

What I'm seeing here are a lot of people who are too cheap to lay out $39.95 for a book. Hey, maybe Nelson is an idiot. Maybe only 1 out of 5 points make sense.

I've read a lot of books by people who aren't right about everything. I happen to think that if Nelson makes us think harder about just one thing - the "need" for aerobics - then we have got something out of this whole business.

You can cut and paste all the long-winded scientific studies you want, but as more evidence gathers of those who show great success in bodybuilding / body composition without "cardio"... there is obviously something to this. There are probably several paths to muscularity & low BF, and Nelson's might just be the one that works well for many.

If you get $30 worth of entertainment and $9.95 worth of food for thought, then it's been worth it. You don't have to be 265 lbs. or a PhD to write a useful book last time I checked.

Incidentally I do cardio, but I am thinking of cutting back on the "exercise bike" / stairclimber routine. It only burns fat on me significantly when done at high intensity, in some form of interval or tempo training (eg. hockey, or cross country skiing with a lot of uphill sections).

I know there are assholes out there who can eat pizza and still be ripped. I'd have to say those are genetic freaks.

Well, off to buy the book (and have my abs etched so I can eat pizza like Nelson).

 

[Thaibox]

high-protein popcorn. Damn that would be nice

 

[Mischief]

Hahaha, I hadn't checked this thread for a few days, it's gotten good. I'm actually glad I've stayed out of it. That Testosterone Article is new to me, definetely changes things even more, but I'll keep my personal opinions about that to myself.

A few points, Nelson says that Synthol has no place in Bodybuilding. I happen to agree, but I'm also strongly opposed to plastic surgery, especially if you ever plan on getting on a stage. What is the logic in detesting the artificial "implantation / injection" of a substance INTO your body (synthol), but condoning the artificial / surgical REMOVAL of a substance from the body? I'll never understand the logic to this. Nelson?

...If you need to burn more fat, work out more.

Interval raining is similar to high rep weight training with short rest periods, except that high rep weight lifting will increase mitochondria which leads to more potential muscle growth. Aerobics does not...

EVERYONE, I've EVER trained, or trained with has found that especially during contest prep, switching the way you workout is foolish, and usually leads to dissappointing results. Weight training has one primary purpose, to build muscle. Even in contest prep, where the environment is not suitable for growth, you train like it is anyway. This is THE most effective way to retain as much muscle as possible while dieting. Lift Heavy, lower reps, all the way through, make your body fight to hold on to muscle while you loose "weight", by knowing it needs the then precious muscle for your heavy workouts. This means, adequate rest between sets, reps no higher than 8, except maybe squats as you get leaner, etc.

Switching to an "interval training" is foolish IMO. One, if you're training heavy, you need time to recooperate, which means leave that muscle alone as much as possible before the next heavy workout. Second, as soon as your body realizes that it's workouts are lighter (interval), and there is a caloric defeceit, it's going to be far more willing to let go of muscle. I've seen this happen time and time again as people switch to high reps pre-contest to "define" the muscle (they get smaller and flat). (**BTW: This is retarded and impossilbe; your muscle looks like what it will always look like, it's simply a matter of how much fat is covering it, ever see an anatomy chart in gym class? that's not from etching in lines from high reps).

Nonimpact cardio is the best way to allow your body to rest, and recover from the ongoing heavy workouts, while raising your metabolism and burning calories beyond what the HIT style workouts provide (how ever much is need to reach X degree of a caloric defeciet). Summary:-Workouts-brief and intense, anything more is counter-productive. Heavy trained muscle need rest, DON'T work them out MORE to burn calories, you're doing more damage than good.

 

[jboldman]

Longwinded studies? Too cheap to spend $40 bucks? Another critical thinker!

What I'm seeing here are a lot of people who are too cheap to lay out $39.95 for a book. Hey, maybe Nelson is an idiot. Maybe only 1 out of 5 points make sense.

I've read a lot of books by people who aren't right about everything. I happen to think that if Nelson makes us think harder about just one thing - the "need" for aerobics - then we have got something out of this whole business.

You can cut and paste all the long-winded scientific studies you want, but as more evidence gathers of those who show great success in bodybuilding / body composition without "cardio"... there is obviously something to this. There are probably several paths to muscularity & low BF, and Nelson's might just be the one that works well for many.

If you get $30 worth of entertainment and $9.95 worth of food for thought, then it's been worth it. You don't have to be 265 lbs. or a PhD to write a useful book last time I checked.

Incidentally I do cardio, but I am thinking of cutting back on the "exercise bike" / stairclimber routine. It only burns fat on me significantly when done at high intensity, in some form of interval or tempo training (eg. hockey, or cross country skiing with a lot of uphill sections).

I know there are assholes out there who can eat pizza and still be ripped. I'd have to say those are genetic freaks.

Well, off to buy the book (and have my abs etched so I can eat pizza like Nelson).

 

[Ant_ALA]

ALA: You're being ridiculous.

Attempting to attack my integrity on this is purely impotent. Do you have an issue with something specific? Did you read the book? As mentioned, I'll try to address as much as I can but quibbling over things like how recent a photo is just wastes my time and the time of those who read these posts trying to extract useable information.

Nelson,

What I am trying to get across to you is that your entire book is based on truth, now while I have not read your book (or am likely to) your posts here do not inspire me to.

Heres a basic summary of the problem I have:

You market a book as the "truth" of bodybuilding, which seems to rely heavily (from your posts on here) on anecdotal evidence at best, there doesn't appear to be any science behind your beliefs and you are refuting scientific studies that contradict you with no real back up other than "just trust me".

Now if you were to do this, and people chose to think of you as a man of integrity and therefore bought your book, then thats fine.

However when you are selectively holding back information (and that ab etching is a BIG piece of information), its kind of damaging to your integrity at best.

Who in their right mind would really take diet advice from a man who has a very small chance of storing fat on his abdomen?

Most guys here will want to see some science behind your arguments, then there are a small portion that will simply take you at your integrity. Without either of those I doubt there are many left.