Nelson Montana-I'm calling you out!

[jboldman]

<GRIN> let me see.... Nelson Montana and "well articulated, strongly supported arguments(stated maturely and professionally)...... Can you say oxymoron? Time to leave this thread as there is little or no chance of anything more positive coming from it. Moving on to thanksgiving and all that protein!

jb

"some people just can't get it!"

snip......

I'm looking forward to seeing your well articulated, strongly supported arguments(stated maturely and professionally of course) to address the questions and criticisms given to you by so many members:

 

[Thaibox]

In terms of low dose cycles, a fully detailed explanation would be impossible in this forum but basically, I've found 3 week cycles of one injectable and one oral to work best. One highly androgenic and one that's more anabolic. (Lots of reasons for this, but it gets complicated) If I could choose the perfect combo, it would be either Primo and D-bol or Sus and Var.

A fully detailed explanation would be impossible.....because you have no fucking explanation. You can't explain a damn thing can you Nelson?

"a fully detailed explanation would be impossible in this forum."
you idiot, thats what this forum is for.
"lots of reasons for this, but it gets complicated"
These are both statements indicative of someone who has no idea what they are talking about and therefore cannot explain their statements.

I swear to god, that I will give you my fucking car if you can explain the logic behind these 3 week cycles. No, you know what, I'll leave the fucking anabolic board for good if you can explain them.

A 3 week cycle of one injectable and one oral? I know you probably have a lot of room up there, but jesus, how many things are you going to pull out of your ass?

Primo and D-bol for 3 weeks? Sus and Var for 3 weeks? Why in the world would you stop using Sustenon at 3 weeks??? Do you even understand how Sus works? What the fuck are you talking about? "it would be either P and D or S and V," That makes no logical sense at all.


Nelson, I have clearly made many attempts at allowing you to support yourself, but you continue to avoid the concerns of myself and others. Since you refuse to support or answer to ANYTHING you have said, and only act like a high school kid, I will now justifiably respond in kind....

You are a true fucking dingus. You have no more knowledge about bodybuilding then the average shmuck doing curls at Bally's. You clearly have no knowledge of drugs at all. You read tidbits and regurgitate them inacurately and out of context making youself look stupid as hell and you don't even realize it. Even worse, some newbies will take your work as legit and follow your advice, sending them into a catabolic crash and burn. You keep asking us to praise your scrawny old ass because you use to look like shit, and you now look like shit with fake abs. You have no right to spout off your bullshit condescending attitude to anyone. The bodybuilding community is a tight one, and each person within has earned his or her rightful place through hard work under the iron and through the attainment of knowledge. You are like a green officer, placed only by politics, demanding respect from veteran soldiers. There's a reason that Dan Duchaine and you(in your ONE meeting) did not talk about bodybuilding....because he knew you were not a bodybuilder, so why waste his time. Thats why you talked about cars and comic books. You come on the board praising your work and cannot defend it under slight scrutiny. You are a fraud and do not deserve to call yourself a bodybuilder. Take up tennis with the other pompus sophistic pricks and save room on the boards for people who have something to give. I'm done with this waste of time thread as you clearly are a knob.

Twerp

 

[Fonz]

Freak Monster: I'd explain the Roman Chair sit-up but according to you I can't answer a simple fucking question, so I guess you're out of luck.

ALA: Again with the ab etching. Try and get a clue bro. Except for that latest shot, all the photos of me were BEFORE I HAD THE AB ETCHING!!!!

Did you catch that or do I need to repeat it again?

If my methods worked then, why does having a little fat taken out in later in life change anything? I also mentioned that the difference was nominal so no, I can't just eat anything and not train and still have abs. It doesn't work that way. I also had a wisdom tooth pulled but didn't mention that in the ad. Does that make me a liar too?

Are you enjoying this Fonz?

Misceif: Now you're babbling. Your comments aren't even worth addressing.

All I'll say is, if you can't see the difference between having a board certified surgeon remove a little fat and shooting some silicone you bought off the internet into your muscles, then I can't help you.

I think there's a lesson to be learned here. I have people write to me everyday asking questions, and if they approach me like a gentleman (or a lady) I'll try and help them out the best I can. But when someone screams at you, and demands that you answer them NOW, and argues before even hearing the full explanation, well, that person just comes off like a petulant child and will be ignored. This happens throughout all areas of life. The sooner that's understand, the better off you'll be. But, to bring this topic full circle, some people get it. Some people don't.

jbolderman: Glad to hear you learned a few things.

Are we done now?

LOL......Its just funny to me personally in retrospect because its almost always normally me in the middle of a heated discussion.......

Watching a heated discussion from a different perspective
is interesting..........

Fonz

 

[Nelson Montana]

Such anger. Such hatred.

You would think the people on the board were dictating world politics. It's just lifting weights folks. Chill out.

When I said I can't give a complete explanation I don't believe I was being unfair -- or am I expected to present 6 page dissertations to every post. Okee, did I give a reasonable answer, bro?

Thaibox: Since you're bringing up a comment I made in my eulogy of Dan Duchaine you're obviously familiar with my work from a while back. Apparently you have some long standing vendetta against me. I don't know why, and I don't give a shit what your problem is. But when you bring up things that I said as a reverent farewell to someone who has passed and use it as a personal attack, you go from being merely obnoxious to truly sickening.

You can spew all the diarrhea that your mouth can hold and I will not acknowledge anything you say. You aren't worth it. But believe it or not, I don't hate you. I pity you. You obviously have nothing better to do than to try to make yourself look superior by putting down others. Maybe your lack of class stems from the fact that you never learned about anything else besides bodybuilding. Maybe your muscles are all you have. I'm sorry.

You can grow a bigger shell but you'll still be a very little man. I wish you luck, and a healthy and happy Thanksgiving.

 

[Dr.S_badandy]

interesting thread

I've never posted on this board before, but i've been a vet on a couple other boards for years (primarly the UG in it's prime
) Anyway, i just had to post because i can see where both sides are coming from.......................Let me first say that i really don't know the folks on this board, so i'm in no way biased....

Hmmm, why is Nelson not answering any 'meaningful' questions? because he wants you to buy his book! which kinda makes sense to me. On the other hand it may be more beneficial for Nelson to just openly recognize such as true. Nelson, you seem to be articulate and smart enough to know you're dodging around every important question. Mischief (i think) had a great post which explained the basics of training and fat loss. I have been very involved in bb'ing for over ten years, and can attest to seeing many folks switch to more reps/lighter weight to contest prep (me being one of them)---you WILL loose much muscle this way. You will look flat and your metabolism will slow down from having less muscle.

I agree with much that Nelson is saying. I think cardio is overrated, but it does have it's place for some people. I've worked with many different diet strategies, and i believe diet alone can get you Very Lean; but can it get you 'contest' lean without cardio? For some, yes, but not for the majority.

Over the years I've collected Tons of books/info on the subject of bb'ing, diet, lifting, etc....... Nelson-- i thought about buying your book, but here's my problem----------I've got an entire hall closet full of bb'ing, diet, lifting, ect. books/info. Everything from Mike Mentzer to the Anabolic Diet, Bulgarian training, War 2000, Brawn, Super Squats.....thats' just the tip of the iceberg; i really haven't bought anything in a couple of years, though. Every book claims to be "THE" book. Many of them I bought out of pure curiousity, and i may have pulled a tidbit or two from some of them.
What i've done over the years is pool knowledge from everywhere i could, but i put Everything into practice. I've been a gueani pig (sp?) for a long time. Iv'e been between 165lbs-265lbs; i've tried almost every method of training, diet, you name it. I agree that sythol, DNP, and Insulin aren't real good choices; i'll never use them again, but i've used all of them. I've trained everyone from obese people to comp bb'ers

After all that rambling, here's my point-----I just can't phathom what you reveal in your book that i haven't seen or heard (that actually works or makes sense). That's probably why you are getting a lot of flack--- many hardcore folks know that the muscle mags are full of shit, and you can only get away with training 5days per week if you have great genetics (almost anything works for some of those folks). Most supplemnt companies are full of shit, blah, blah------we already know all that. Nelson, you haven't done a lot as far as hardcore bb'ing. don't get me wrong, you look good, bro; in fact, i'm down to around 200lbs as i just got tired of carrying all that mass. It just wasn't worth it anymore, But, If one one my clients wants to be 250+lbs I can get him there because i've had the experience (and i don't have real great bb'ing genetics; i had to work my ass off the reach my goals---- a couple i actually never reached 'cause i realized having a 31inch waist just isn't in the genetic cards)

I was very curious about your diet strategies, and nutrient timing philosophy. One can make a few simple diet changes to make a huge difference in thier physique. When you've been skinny all your life, it's easy to say that a specific type of diet doesn't have a major impact, but it's easier to stay lean if thats you natural tendency. To me, it sounds like your book may be a good change of direction for the people who are brainwashed by Muscle-Tech and 40 sets per workout training.......

I think it would be cool if you did actually answer some questions (with exerpts from the book), but i can understand if you don't. However, maybe if you did plunk down a couple chapters from your book (maybe your early X-Mas pres to us. hehe,) folks may actually buy it just 'cause you had the balls to do so


Dr.S.........

 

[3 Fortunes]

The Bodybuilding Truth

All I have to say is that I have read The Bodybuilding Truth and I think it's worth every cent.

It's not gospel, so you don't have to accept everything Nelson writes. I think that anyone who reads it will have a hard time saying it's not an enjoyable read.

3 Fortunes

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Ok, its not that cardio isn't necessary, because it most certainly is.

What is being overlooked here is that weightlifting, properly routined and executed, IS cardio.

Furthermore, it is more closely correlated to high intensity cardio, such as windsprints, and is also congruent to the anaerobic aspect of such a regimen.

Which is why it can be effective on its own for burning fat.

Cardio, in any form, is cardio, and when it involves explosive movements it is all the more effective.

See how easy?

 

[Thaibox]

I will not acknowledge anything you say.

Because you cannot

You obviously have nothing better to do than to try to make yourself look superior by putting down others.

Find one other person I have put down on these boards. If you do manage to find one, I'll show you 200 afirmations. It got to that point because you took it there and deserved every last word.

Maybe your lack of class stems from the fact that you never learned about anything else besides bodybuilding. Maybe your muscles are all you have. I'm sorry.

A masters in philosophy and a BS in Criminal Justice also. You should be sorry.

But when you bring up things that I said as a reverent farewell to someone who has passed and use it as a personal attack, you go from being merely obnoxious to truly sickening

You didn't even know Dan. You met him once, so don't try that shit.

You can grow a bigger shell but you'll still be a very little man. I wish you luck, and a healthy and happy Thanksgiving.

if you say so

 

[Nelson Montana]

I hate to waste everyone's time on one jerk (if anyone is even listening anymore) but I'll try to make sense one more time.

Thaibox: You're ranting like a lunatic about answering your questions but I have yet to hear a specific question. It seems like you want a detailed explanation of whatever query meanders though your mind.

Why it is it that Fukenshredded got the point on cardio? Maybe because he's an objective individual who can actually assess information and you're just hell-bent on being an a-hole. I'm sure hundreds of others got it too.

There's obviously a reason for your vehement hatred of me. Your inability to construct a reasonable argument and your persistence toward personal attacks proves that.

You don't know me. You don't know my relationship with Dan and I am not about to discuss it with you.

You have a masters in philosophy? That's very disappointing to hear. One would think that someone who studied thinking would be able to do so with some sense of logic and decorum.

I am not about to start printing chapters of my book (as one post so ludicrously suggested) in order to satisfy the whims of someone unwilling to learn or listen. Maybe you're not a bad guy. You just need to do some growing up. But please stop wasting everyones time. If you have a specific question you can PM me and I will answer it to the best of my ablity. Fair enough? Or do you just want to challange me? That's fine too. I like a spitited debate. But childish slander and tough guy tactics are not worth my time.

 

[Thaibox]

You don't like a debate, you like avoiding them. Childish slander and persistence towards personal attacks? Read my first posts nelson. They were nothing but respectful to you. They were clear criticisms and questions. Then, since you had no answers, and were afraid to address them, you were the one that resorted to "personal attacks and childish slander," so do not be foolish enough to try to pin that shit on me. Are you so blind that you missed that? I'm hell bent on being an asshole and hundreds of others got it? That must be why I've received multiple green Karmas from respected members for confronting you.

Are you serious that you need me to rewrite my questions? I'll gladly do so since you seem to have missed those few posts that clearly contained them. I will do so on this thread only if you address them like a fucking professional and don't play these stupid games any longer. However, I know you will not address them, because you haven't yet. The ONLY thing you have discussed is the cardio issue and that is it, out of all questions directed at you. Why is that Nelson?

Are you ready for a sound, professionally articulated debate or are you going to dodge the questions like a shifty criminal again?