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Nelson Montana-I'm calling you out!

This is so funny.

Thaibox: First of all, your questions were vauge and non-specific. Then when you don't get a detailed response you accuse my information as crap. You say that I'm talking out my ass. You disregard my statement about progress and then belittle it by telling me how much your father can bench. And then you get all pissy because I don't didn't get back to you fast enough? That isn't out of line?

In case you weren't aware of it, Thaibox -- I don't work for you. I have no responsibility to answer every point to your satisfaction. I go on the boards to exchange info and to offer a service where I can -- not to prove myself to some guy who, once again, HASN'T EVEN READ THE BOOK!!!

I've had some of the biggest names in the industry praise my work, and you think I'm sidestepping YOU?

Can somebody explain this to this guy, or is it me?

I tell you what: You went from 140 as an adult to 265 with no gear and kept your bf% below 10%??? If so, I think you should write a book. And I'll read it.
 
Lol. This thread has been my favorite thread yet. NM is making perfectly acceptable, reasonable, and justifyable statements. He is by no means extreme whatsoever. People are critiquing him from all sorts of angles, as if one flaw in his logic undoes his entire philosophy on bodybuilding.

So far, I think everyone who has stepped up to present such 'flaws' has been directly confronted and effectively rebuked. Thankfully, I am enjoying this debate greatly, so please keep up the arguing. Great stuff.
 
Tim_Bass said:
Lol. This thread has been my favorite thread yet. NM is making perfectly acceptable, reasonable, and justifyable statements. He is by no means extreme whatsoever. People are critiquing him from all sorts of angles, as if one flaw in his logic undoes his entire philosophy on bodybuilding.

So far, I think everyone who has stepped up to present such 'flaws' has been directly confronted and effectively rebuked. Thankfully, I am enjoying this debate greatly, so please keep up the arguing. Great stuff.

I don't think Nelson knows how to answer some fucking simple questions!!!!!
 
Shit I dont know about everyone else but I have A LOT of newfound respect for Nelson. He can expect me to purchase his book soon and give it and read it cover-to-cover.

IMO this man has answered literally hundreds of questions in this thread alone maturely and fairly. So far the only guys who have questioned him that showed some respect at all on this thread are Mischief and Thaibox. Everyone else saying he is the devil because he had some surgery done or saying that he is not a freak needs to get their head out of their loose anus.

Bodybuilding is just that...building a better body. Who gives two shits if you want to weigh 200 pounds or 400 pounds. You are working for it, and that is all that matters. I hope we all can at least agree on that.
 
Yo Guys... Why is everyone chewing this guy up? If you dont like what he has to say move on.

I forone enjoy reading his articles in the mags...

I just read the one about the roman chair situps... Now I use it all the time.
 
The Almighty said:

Bodybuilding is just that...building a better body. Who gives two shits if you want to weigh 200 pounds or 400 pounds. You are working for it, and that is all that matters. I hope we all can at least agree on that.

....or 140lbs as it may be in your case.


BTW, I just added the ability to view signatures. Who's that small guy next to Homer? :confused:

Oh yes and we can all agree you're a :rainbow:
 
Oh and Nelson, I have the utmost respect for anyone who writes a book. Writing a book is an extremely time consuming and difficult task to accomplish.

kudos to you.
 
mvmaxx said:


....or 140lbs as it may be in your case.


BTW, I just added the ability to view signatures. Who's that small guy next to Homer? :confused:

Oh yes and we can all agree you're a :rainbow:

Bastard, dont make me come over there. :newbie:
 
MohawkMuscle said:
Yo Guys... Why is everyone chewing this guy up? If you dont like what he has to say move on.

I forone enjoy reading his articles in the mags...

I just read the one about the roman chair situps... Now I use it all the time.

Can you explain what Roman Chair situps are?
 
All of this has a familiar ring to it, He wore me down with his dogmatic attitude. i have no doubt that what Nelson says has "some" merit but by his blatant disregard of others experiences and published research he tends to alienate! :) I did a long post last night and find I screwed up and did not post it(since i can not find it so here goes again. I believe what we have here is a problem of "black and white" without any shades of gray. Nelson refuses to think there is any merit in aerobics for weight loss and CVH where, in fact, both published and experiential data indicate it is just plain true. Does that mean that weight lifting does not play a significant role in fat loss and CVH, of course not, they both can and do. I think what Nelson was referring to with his food timing point was something that was discussed earlier, that is, exercise perfomed on an empty stomach preferentially burns fat. Get a life, this is fact, I will put up all the studies you need to demonstrate this. It has also been shown that interval training burns more fat "overall" after taking into account longer term metabolic effects. Now, before you get your undies in a bundle, Nelson, it is not inconceivable that the way you train is in fact a form of interval training which mixes anaerobic and aerobic conditioning during the bout of exercise. So, even though we know that high intensity exercise(VO2 Max 70%+ ) preferentially burns carbohydrates not fat the overall effects becomes an effective fat burner eliminating the need for aerobics in "your" training program. The rub here is nelson's inability to see another point of view that does not agree with his even if it is founded in solid science and experience. Just to show that there are no hard feelings and that i am able to change my beliefs based on solid science(yes I have gained some knowledge during this thread but thru my own research and others not any gems of wisdom from Nelson, here is a study that supports Nelson's belief that weightlifting is better for fat burning than aerobics of the same caloric expenditure(given this experimental paradigm).:
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J Appl Physiol 2002 Oct 11; [epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

Effect of Resistance Exercise on Postprandial Lipemia.

Petitt DS, Arngrimsson SA, Cureton KJ.

Department of Exercise Science, University of Georgia, Athens, GA, USA.

The purpose of this study was to examine the effect of resistance exercise on postprandial lipemia. Fourteen young men and women participated in each of three treatments: 1) control (CON), 2) resistance exercise (RE), and 3) aerobic exercise (AE) estimated to have an energy expenditure (EE) equal that for RE. Each trial consisted of performing a treatment on Day 1 and ingesting a fat-tolerance test meal 16 hours later (Day 2). Resting metabolic rate and fat oxidation were measured at baseline and at 3 and 6 hours postprandial on Day 2. Blood was collected at baseline and at 0.5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 hours after meal ingestion. RE and AE were similar in EE (1.7 +/- 0.1 vs 1.6 +/- 0.1 MJ, respectively; means +/- SE), as measured using the Cosmed K4b(2). Baseline triglycerides (TG) were significantly lower after RE than after CON (19%) and AE (21%). Further, the area under the postprandial response curve (AUC) for TG, adjusted for baseline differences, was significantly lower after RE than after CON (14%) and AE (18%). Resting fat oxidation was significantly greater after RE than after CON (21%) and AE (28%). These results indicate that resistance exercise lowers baseline and postprandial TG, and increases resting fat oxidation, 16 hours after exercise.
 
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