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Nelson Montana-I'm calling you out!
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Nelson Montana said:
Don't forget to mention the ab etching procedure you had done Nelson....
http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_65abs.html
Here is a skinny guy who is telling people that they can eat pizza and not do cardio and still be lean yet he had cosmetic surgery????
I wonder how many people have read this thread and bought this guys book to learn that secret?
Nelson is basically using the same BS marketing principles to sell his book that he has accused the supplement industry of using.
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Fonz said:
Sorry if this sounds overly stupid........LOL
But what on earth is "Ab etching"?
(I have ZERO, nada, no frigging clue whatsoever...)
Fonz
He explains it in the article mate, basically some lipo, sucking out some fat cells in strategic positions to make the abs look good.
And with no fat cells there you can eat whatever you want for the most part and have a six pack year round.
I wonder if this is the bodybuilding "truth" in his book?
ADA: As you can see from that pic of me at age 40, and a lifetime natural, I'm hardly carrying much fat. I agreed to have the procedure done for an assignment. (Some regrets there) To be honest, it didn't make much of a difference, even though Dr. Nadler did a good job. A lot of people ask me about this and I usually say I would recommend the obliques but not the rectus.
If I didn't train or eat correctly I'd get that fat right back.
Incidentally, before the flames fly about how poorly I looked in that "before" shot, I was going through some personal problems with the illness of my dad. The "after" shot I believe is more a testament to proper training than the procedure.
Thaibox: I was going to PM you but I might as well address it here. You obviously put some thought into your response. If it were a mindless flame I'd ignore it. But what statements haven't I backed up? I don't have researched documents for everything I espose since much of it is based on real world evidence and no studies have yet been conducted, but I believe I present logical reasoning to my theories.
I know I'm a contrarian and expect to get challenged. To make things easier, here's a quick list of some of my viewpoints that really piss people off -- until they realize they're true.
Nutrient timing will have no effect on how you look in the long run.
Most famous strength coaches don't know anything that a million other people don't know.
The effect of the glycemic index of a food is way overstated.
There is most definitely such as thing as a "hardgainer."
There is no such thing as an anabolc supplement.
The Ketogenic diet will cause stress, perhaps irreparable, to the metabolism.
More work does not mean more progress.
Insulin, DNP, Synthol,and Nubain have no place in real bodybulding.
Sit ups and leg raises are not the most effective ways to work the abs.
Ephedra in suggested dosages only supresses appitite. It does not burn fat, and in the long run, will cause you to hoarde fat from down regulation. Adding asperin does nothing.
GH is the most over-rated drug in the sport.
90% of what you read in the magazines is just "made up" stuff -- and wrong.
90% of what you read from internet gurus is researched, analyzed and based on scientific calculations -- and wrong.
Aerobics suck.
Now I know some of this will shake some convictions and I will be questioned, but please understand, although I'll try to resond whenever possible, I can not address every question and comment with a detailed explanation on this forum. That's why I wrote a book.
If I didn't train or eat correctly I'd get that fat right back.
Incidentally, before the flames fly about how poorly I looked in that "before" shot, I was going through some personal problems with the illness of my dad. The "after" shot I believe is more a testament to proper training than the procedure.
Thaibox: I was going to PM you but I might as well address it here. You obviously put some thought into your response. If it were a mindless flame I'd ignore it. But what statements haven't I backed up? I don't have researched documents for everything I espose since much of it is based on real world evidence and no studies have yet been conducted, but I believe I present logical reasoning to my theories.
I know I'm a contrarian and expect to get challenged. To make things easier, here's a quick list of some of my viewpoints that really piss people off -- until they realize they're true.
Nutrient timing will have no effect on how you look in the long run.
Most famous strength coaches don't know anything that a million other people don't know.
The effect of the glycemic index of a food is way overstated.
There is most definitely such as thing as a "hardgainer."
There is no such thing as an anabolc supplement.
The Ketogenic diet will cause stress, perhaps irreparable, to the metabolism.
More work does not mean more progress.
Insulin, DNP, Synthol,and Nubain have no place in real bodybulding.
Sit ups and leg raises are not the most effective ways to work the abs.
Ephedra in suggested dosages only supresses appitite. It does not burn fat, and in the long run, will cause you to hoarde fat from down regulation. Adding asperin does nothing.
GH is the most over-rated drug in the sport.
90% of what you read in the magazines is just "made up" stuff -- and wrong.
90% of what you read from internet gurus is researched, analyzed and based on scientific calculations -- and wrong.
Aerobics suck.
Now I know some of this will shake some convictions and I will be questioned, but please understand, although I'll try to resond whenever possible, I can not address every question and comment with a detailed explanation on this forum. That's why I wrote a book.
Nelson,
A fat cell is like a balloon filled with air, the fatter you are the more fat stored in it (like air in a balloon).
You had the cells REMOVED, which means fat can no longer be stored there, unless you fill up every other fat cell in your body and therefore force it to make more cells.
You would have to get very fat to gain back those cells.
I also think that in your about page on your site:
http://www.nelsonmontana.com/about-nelson-montana.html
Calling the image on your homepage (not the NPC image the other one on the right) a "recent shot" is somewhat misleading as well since its the same pic from your mid 1999 article. I would not call 3 and a half years ago a "recent shot".
A fat cell is like a balloon filled with air, the fatter you are the more fat stored in it (like air in a balloon).
You had the cells REMOVED, which means fat can no longer be stored there, unless you fill up every other fat cell in your body and therefore force it to make more cells.
You would have to get very fat to gain back those cells.
I also think that in your about page on your site:
http://www.nelsonmontana.com/about-nelson-montana.html
Calling the image on your homepage (not the NPC image the other one on the right) a "recent shot" is somewhat misleading as well since its the same pic from your mid 1999 article. I would not call 3 and a half years ago a "recent shot".
Yes, the fat cells are removed but more fat can be deposited. You comment about "filling up every other fat cell in the body" isn't entirely accurate.
At age 49, 3 years ago seems pretty recent.
Actually, after going on test replacement 6 months ago I feel I look better than I did in that pic from '99. Can't post though. Maybe I'll take new shots and put them on the site. At any rate, is this really relevant?
One more thing I forgot to include in that last list.
"Short, low dose cycles provide more solid and longer lasting gains."
At age 49, 3 years ago seems pretty recent.
Actually, after going on test replacement 6 months ago I feel I look better than I did in that pic from '99. Can't post though. Maybe I'll take new shots and put them on the site. At any rate, is this really relevant?
One more thing I forgot to include in that last list.
"Short, low dose cycles provide more solid and longer lasting gains."
All I am doing is showing that you are being somewhat economical with the truth, I believe that if you had said:
"The picture of me on the right is 3.5 years old showing me after having elective surgery to improve my abs"
You would not have such great sales with the book would you? Yet this is the "truth" that you are so hellbound to espouse.
I suggest that you don't try to sell a book based on your integrity when you haven't explained these things to people, lest you fall flat on your ass when these facts do come out.
"The picture of me on the right is 3.5 years old showing me after having elective surgery to improve my abs"
You would not have such great sales with the book would you? Yet this is the "truth" that you are so hellbound to espouse.
I suggest that you don't try to sell a book based on your integrity when you haven't explained these things to people, lest you fall flat on your ass when these facts do come out.
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Nelson Montana said:
I'm curious then, what is the most effective way to work your abs?
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