Ultima is a fantasic performance booster.
I've been through two tubs recently and no natural supp has increased my strength and endurance like it has.
I do not agree that it is a kitchen sink supp at all. I think a lot of thought went into it's formulation. Shawn Wells and Dana Houser are very smart dudes.
That was only my opinion, im not a big fan of 25 ingredients in a mix.
The other thing about AICAr and GW being used together i havent seen, and if it could be bought in bulk, and dosed correctly in a product, it would be certainly interesting to test.
If used together the synergy would be interesting.
Ive seen a lot of shawns work and he knows his stuff, if he is putting his name to something then he must feel it has potential.
I would like to see more, and see some studies on these 2 compounds used together, but thankyou for this interesting thread, it gets the neurons going.