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need suggestions- getting surround sound

KillahBee

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getting surround sound speakers for my home possibly with DVD player. any good suggestions? I am looking in the $200-$300 price range.

and I know some of you nerd virgins work at Radio Shack, so don't even bother trying to push that made in Germany shit on me you fascist bastards.


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Unless you have at least 1500-2000 I wouldnt really bother. Surround really has to be done right to sound good, otherwise you are better going with a simple stereo with two speakers. Add a subwoofer to that, and you will have better sound than a similarly priced surround system.
 
Save your cash until you can go with Bose. Bose is the original in digital surround sound and they are far superior to other brands. Best Buy and other places have like 1 year no interest no payment, maybe something like this will help you get the Bose surround sound.
 
sh4dowf4lcon said:
Save your cash until you can go with Bose. Bose is the original in digital surround sound and they are far superior to other brands. Best Buy and other places have like 1 year no interest no payment, maybe something like this will help you get the Bose surround sound.

WRONG! Bose is not the originator of surround sound. Bose is overpriced gear thats marketed very well. Ask anyone in high end audio, they'll tell you the same.

http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/surround_inventor.html

Who invented surround sound system ?
by Steve Weiss ([email protected])
Please allow me to back up and start at the beginning. The person who truly invented surround sound is a man named Peter Scheiber back in the late seventies.

At that time, Dolby Labs leased Peter Scheiber's patent for use in theaters. Dolby claimed it was theirs, but still pays royalties to Mr. Scheiber. Their audio matrix scheme at that time provide minimal channel steering, resulting in bleeding of audio from front to rear, and minimal separation.

Now enters a man named Jack Cashin. He also leased Mr. Scheiber's patent and provided royalties. However, Mr. Cashin's sound matrix provide excellent steering as well as a huge increase in channel separation.Utra Stereo Labs was founded by Mr. Cashin. Ultra's first movie was Robert Altman's 'Nashvile'. This process was demonstrated for the Academy of motion pictures. It was so well received that Mr. Cashin was awarded an Academy Award for technical achievement in 1984.

After that , Dolby Labs started using the same steering scheme as Jack Cashin, called it their own, and it is what is currently used in theaters world wide. Once again, Dolby Labs provides a great contribution to the current status of motion picture audio, as well as home theater. But they did not invent surround sound.

Both Dolby Labs and Ultra Stereo's theater equipment is THX approved.
 
I have a Sony with speakers (front, rear and center) and I hooked up some JBL's that I had prior.

I like it - it works and it was under $500.
 
From Zero said:
I was at Best Buy, and they had this display. It consisted of speakers. They were pretty loud.

I've seen that exact same display in a store before, except it wasn't Best Buy.

Small world, huh?
 
velvett said:
I have a Sony with speakers (front, rear and center) and I hooked up some JBL's that I had prior.

I like it - it works and it was under $500.

How many speakers alltogether, and how many channels? Any subs?
 
Bose is NOT the way to go. They are overpriced and overhyped.

JBL are a good bang for the buck.

But I would do what MD said and just get a 2 speaker setup with a good subwoofer. because $2-300 is not going to cut it. You`ll be better off with the sub only.
 
Heres more about overpriced garbage that Bose sells:

http://liquidtheater.com/editorials/56

The problem with Bose
written by Mike Shea on 2 July 2003

The cost of a Bose Lifestyle 50 home theater system is $3500. The cost of a Onkyo TX-SR 800 THX receiver and a Boston Acoustics System 9000 speaker package is $1800. The Onkyo / Boston system has similar speaker sizes, more accurate sound, and costs $1700 less. There is no advantage to the Bose Lifestyle 50.

Bose Acoustimass, Lifestyle, and 3-2-1 systems are expensive, inaccurate, and low quality. Better sounding home theater systems can be purchased for less money.

High Cost
A two speaker Bose Acoustimass 5 system costs $500 compared to highly rated and more accurate B&W 303 speakers running $250 a pair. The cost of Bose systems are often twice to five times higher than systems of greater sound quality. There is no statistical, ergonomic, or product quality advantage to the Bose systems.

Inaccuracy
The frequency range of a high quality home theater system should be 20Hz to 20,000Hz with less than + or - 3dB fluctuation in volume level and be able to output 105dB during loud peaks. DVDs and CDs are produced in mixing environments that match these specifications and THX uses these specifications for the certification of home theater equipment and environments. Bose Acoustimass speakers are only able to produce sound from 46Hz to 13.3kHz at + or - 10.5dB. Bose Acoustimass, Lifestyle, and 3-2-1 systems are not able to meet standard specifications expected by DVD sound producers.

Because of a frequency gap between the bass module and the cube speaker, Bose Acoustimass speakers lose all sound material from 200 to 280Hz, often the frequency range of a human voice. Because the bass module has frequencies as high as 200hz, a user is able to pick out the location of the bass module within a room. The Bose bass module is unable to reproduce frequency ranges below 46Hz while DVDs have bass down to 20hz.

The Bose Acoustimass cube speaker has a frequency range of 280Hz to 13.3kHz at + or - 10.5dB. Compare this to the 72Hz to 20kHz at + or - 3dB of the B&W DM303 bookshelf speaker. The removal of high frequency ranges will result in a loss of accuracy in DVD and CD material. The large 10dB fluctuation in frequency accuracy results in inaccurate sounds between 280Hz and 13kHz resulting in sound being louder or softer than the original recording.

The Bose Acoustimass bass module and cube speaker remove 1/4th of the sound originally presented by DVDs and CDs. The remaining 3/4ths is presented with a high degree of error, up to 10dB louder or softer than originally recorded.

Bose employs a direct / reflecting design that supposedly creates a larger sound stage by reflecting sound off of side walls. Movie theaters, recording studios, and professional home theater installations attempt to reduce or remove side wall reflections because they create sound where none was intended. Clap your hands in a movie theater and you will not hear the echo from the side walls. Bose's reflective design creates an inaccurate sound stage that was not originally intended with the source recording, and promotes the installation of a home theater in an unideal listening environment.

Bose Marketing, Why Does Bose Sound Good?
The engineering behind Bose speakers is designed to play to the sounds the human ear hears best. Through acoustical wizardry, Bose is able to create the illusion of accurate and full range sound. Bose cube-based speakers remove the advantages of proper sound editing by purposefully changing the sound of original source material.

This illusion of "rich sound" is fed by the physical size of the speakers as well. The hidden bass module helps produce low frequency sound while the listener only sees small speakers. This creates the "small speakers, big sound" response that Bose has built their company upon. This does not change the fact that Bose speakers are not accurately reproducing music or movie soundtracks.

The cost of Bose is another part of the illusion. By attaching a high price tag, Bose creates an exclusive mystique to their product. Many consumers who have not seen the full range of speaker selections consider Bose "high end". The high price of Bose products actually helps their marketing.

Through the use of high priced marketing, wide availability, and sales promotions, Bose has built a massive market for their speakers. While word of mouth among consumers is often favorable, many owners have negative feedback. The $1300 Bose Acoustimass 15 speaker package has received a rating of 2.54 out of 5 averaged from over three hundred consumer reviews from Audio Review. In comparison, the Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 loudspeaker received a rating of 4.97 out of 5 in fifty nine consumer reviews. A full Ascend Acoustics home theater speaker package costs $1308.

Bose does not publish frequency ranges, accuracy, distortion levels, or power output for the Lifestyle or Acoustimass systems in their instructions, brochures, or website. Bose sued Consumer Reports for faulty testing procedures for an unfavorable report.

Instead of describing compatibility with Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS audio decoding standards, the Lifestyle system reports that it is "Digital 5.1 compatible". While higher priced Bose Lifestyle systems supposedly include native Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS decoding, they do not discuss it on their website. Bose product descriptions for specifications and decoding compatibility do not follow the industry standard format used by hundreds of other audio manufacturers.

The following table describes Bose Acoustimass products alongside comparable speaker packages. Review statistics are courtesy of Audioreview.com. Product specifications are from the product web page or in the Acoustimass example from Sound and Vision, August 1999.
 
Don`t know where you`re from but in Canada they have the Paradigm brand speakers. They are GREAT bang for buck. I have the Studio series with Servo 15 sub. The house shakes. lol
 
gonelifting said:
Bose is NOT the way to go. They are overpriced and overhyped.

JBL are a good bang for the buck.

But I would do what MD said and just get a 2 speaker setup with a good subwoofer. because $2-300 is not going to cut it. You`ll be better off with the sub only.

Im running a denon amp to two floorstanding Boston Acoustics, and its all you could want. To build the kind of surround system that I'd enjoy, would cost no less than 5 grand and probably more.
 
good call... bose is crap. I have a full b&w setup runnign right now 6.1 matrix steez. Fully tube powered monoblock amps pushing everything... it sounds godly. Other place I have paradigm stuff... the b&w blows away (from my experience) polk, jbl, monitor Au., Klipsch, and definitely all the big guys, sony, pioneer, jvc... etc. Stick w/ the reputable stuff and don't be afraid to buy your speakers on ebay. You can get some great deals on ubid for high end speakers from time to time... just watch out for the shipping rape.
 
anabolicmd said:


How many speakers alltogether, and how many channels? Any subs?


The Sony - 5 speakers 2 front, 2 rear 1 center channel- one subwoofer - 500 Watts - that's about all I can tell you.

I have 2 outdoor Bose and a subwoofer a client gave me - the outdoor speakers are around the hot tub and the sub woofer collects dust in the closet.

Bose is nice but I went with budget instead as it doesn't really matter to me that much.
 
velvett said:



The Sony - 5 speakers 2 front, 2 rear 1 center channel- one subwoofer - 500 Watts - that's about all I can tell you.

I have 2 outdoor Bose and a subwoofer a client gave me - the outdoor speakers are around the hot tub and the sub woofer collects dust in the closet.

Bose is nice but I went with budget instead as it doesn't really matter to me that much.

Well you are definitely better off with the sony system, as the Bose is a rip off.
 
ZKaudio said:
good call... bose is crap. I have a full b&w setup runnign right now 6.1 matrix steez. Fully tube powered monoblock amps pushing everything... it sounds godly. Other place I have paradigm stuff... the b&w blows away (from my experience) polk, jbl, monitor Au., Klipsch, and definitely all the big guys, sony, pioneer, jvc... etc. Stick w/ the reputable stuff and don't be afraid to buy your speakers on ebay. You can get some great deals on ubid for high end speakers from time to time... just watch out for the shipping rape.

b&w is far better than Paradigm (depending on models) but they ARE alot more $$ also.

You have a great setup there. I had an Onkyo 787 (6.1) powering everything and now I have a seperate amp Parasound 2205AT It rocks. I use the Onkyo to preamp.

If I could do it again I probably would`nt go for the full surround. I would just get the 2 Studio 100`s and MAYBE A Servo sub. You may not even need it. You just need a kick ass amp at least 400 watts per channel.

So if you have just a couple hundred to spend, I would really think about the 2 speaker/sub setup.
 
There are a few tricks of the trade that can save you up to 55% off retail prices on audio gear, if anyone is interested...
 
alien amp pharm said:
5 finger discount?

No, you go through the distributor. You tell them you work for a retailer they supply, and ask to buy at the discount rate. Then casually ask if they do home delivery. You have to try yur luck a few times, but its worth it.
 
So basically, equally as wrong as the five finger discount.

but wouldn't you have to verify your store, id number, etc etc?
 
alien amp pharm said:
So basically, equally as wrong as the five finger discount.

but wouldn't you have to verify your store, id number, etc etc?

Yeah, technically they have some measures but when theyre busy, and you are cool, you can work it.
 
Sure I know someone who did that with a supplement supply company. He gets deep discounts on everything cause they think he`s a "Store".

They send him the product list with the dealer prices. He orders whatever he wants from there. Been happening for years now.

He just gave them an addy of one of his properties and called it a "ABC" store. He`s now a dealer. lol
 
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