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Can you help us out by telling us a little bit about yourself?
Age, ht, wt, training experience, BF% etc
I'm 22 6ft 175 been lifting since junior high in football and after i graduated i starting to really hitting the weights 5 days a week and have a solid diet. I'm not real sure what my bf % is but last time i got it checked on a caliper it was 7% but to me i don't think that was right because i still have fat around my mid section. I want to gain some lean muscle mass and lose some of this body fat that's why i'm leaning toward a ph or something. What do you think?
At your weight, absolutely not.
At your height and weight, you are not carrying a substantial amount of muscle mass. You should get on a solid bulking diet full of clean foods and protein. You should sky past 200 lbs in a matter of months while still remaining fairly lean.
Hormones should not be a resort to lacking diet and/or training. This would only encourage lazyness and you will never get to where you want to be. The fat burning effects are only there if you have a diet that is consistent with losing fat. You can't eat garbage and get ripped.
I've been eating perfectly clean for the past 3 months at about 3000 cals now and i barely gained anything. I know you say ph is not the way to go but it seems like that might be my only chance. I've taking havoc before and saw great results. What do you think about stacking havoc and trenadrol together? Would this be even better?
3000 calories at 6FT? No no no no no bro.
3000 calories will work for someone who is 5'8" bro, not you. Tall guys need WAY more calories than the short guys.
I'm 6'2" and I weighed 175 lbs In november of 2007. In barely over a year I weighed 225. I still weigh 225, but I am much leaner than then.
Move those calories to 4000 daily with 350 grams of protein everyday and you will put on a lot of mass, I promise.
That's just part of the deal bro. You aren't gonna get huge and stay ultra ripped the entire journey to being a monster unless you wan it to take 30 years. Or you could gain a ton of mass really fast, and be huge, and cut a little BF once you gain the mass.
It seems to me your metabolism is really high, so you will just burn off fat at a faster rate the more BF you gain.
If you eat clean, you will not gain that much BF.
Or, you can stay skinny your whole life. Your choice.
You ask for help, but when it's given to you, you push against it.
I'm not the perfect example, but I was even skinnier than you, and now I am looking prety decent. I just gained the BF along with the muscle. You aren't going to get fat or even lok fat if that's what you think will happen. then I took 8 weeks and trimmed off the fat. Bam, 220lbs at 10% BF. I look like a whole new person in a little over a years time.
I was just where you are at. I know wht the dllemma is. I say F$^& it and get big.
Oh, and if you thinkhormones will help you gain weight at the same amount of calories, yo're wrong. Sure, initially you'll gain some weight, but then lose it and end up right back where you sarted.
I'm not trying to get huge or anything, just trying to get to a really lean 185-190.
Here's a sample of my diet. Let me know what you think i should do with it?
9:00- 4 egg whites and 1 whole egg mixed in with 4 slices of turkey and spinach, 1/2 cup of oatmeal with 1 tbsp of PB and cup of blueberries
12:00- 2 cans of tuna in whole wheat pita bread and a apple or green beans
1- (sip on intrabolic) Workout
2:00- (pwo shake) ON 100% whey and banana
3:00- 8-10oz chicken breast, 1/2 cup of brown rice or sweet potato, broccoli
6:00- 8-10oz talapia or salmon or lean steak and salad with 15 almonds
9:00- Whey protein shake with 1 tbsp of pb
Before bed: 1/2 cup 2% cottage cheese
this is about 3000 cals
protein about 350g
fat about 65g
carbs about 190
Here's a sample of my diet. Let me know what you think i should do with it?
9:00- 4 egg whites and 1 whole egg mixed in with 4 slices of turkey and spinach, 1/2 cup of oatmeal with 1 tbsp of PB and cup of blueberries
12:00- 2 cans of tuna in whole wheat pita bread and a apple or green beans
1- (sip on intrabolic) Workout
2:00- (pwo shake) ON 100% whey and banana
3:00- 8-10oz chicken breast, 1/2 cup of brown rice or sweet potato, broccoli
6:00- 8-10oz talapia or salmon or lean steak and salad with 15 almonds
9:00- Whey protein shake with 1 tbsp of pb
Before bed: 1/2 cup 2% cottage cheese
this is about 3000 cals
protein about 350g
fat about 65g
carbs about 190
Okay, you are looking retty good here bro with the diet. I would just add another 1/2 cup of brown rice or sweet potatoe to your 3 PM meal.
And go with 1 cup of cottage cheese instead of 1/2 cup before bed. That'll up the protein and calories a bit and still remain somewhat conservative on the carbs. It's enough to increase your weight for a bit.
A "really lean" 190? Like 6% BF is realy lean. Or 8% or 10%?
At 6ft 200lbs you wouldn't by any means look totally massive, you would look thick and solid.
If your goal is 185-190 lean, I'd just bulk hardcore for 6 months, do a cycle of Beastdrol at th beginning of the 7th month, while still on bulk. Get through PCT, and start your cutting fo rnext summer. Go with katanadrol the last 4 weeks of your cut. You will have surpassed your goal weight and look better than you would have imagined. 1 years time is all it takes.
If you take the "stay lean and try and get big" will take twice as long.
As once you get to that size, you will want more. It's addicting.
So, there is my suggestion. Bulk like a mad man, reach 210 lbs, and cut to a lean 185-195.
good advice here from a good bro
hey dabuff what bf% do you think im at? I know you said 10% and im wondering if thats true for your avi then I must be at least 9%, single digits
At 5'8' 205 10%bf 3000 calories would increase my weight significantly. In order to gain weight you have to take in more calories than your body burns in a day, so as your body is already telling you that 3000 cal is not enough you should bump your caloric intake accordingly. While your diet is clean it lacks enough carbs to help facilitate weight gain. My guess is that the amount of carbs you're taking is keeping your body at maintainece level. Carb's have a muscle sparing effect on the body which makes them the best friend for any person who is seeking to increase their muscle mass. Muscle is the only tissue in the body that metablizes fat which means that the more muscle you have the more effiecient your body becomes at burning fat. Therefore in regards to your fear of getting fat while increasing your caloric intake, what little fat you may acquire along the way will easily be metabolized by the additional muscle that you will add to your frame once you start dieting.
P.S. - it wouldn't hurt to throw some flax or fish oil in there as well.
Regards,
Magus
P.S. - it wouldn't hurt to throw some flax or fish oil in there as well.
Regards,
Magus
Yeah, you look less than 10%. But definitely not like 8% though from what I can see in the avi. I was a little over 10% in that pic, but under 11%.
abomb555
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very goo advise...this will help you u stay consistant taking it regularly...also avacdos..when your body is sustained with the proper amounts of good and non trans-fat it will not read'ly gab hold of incoming bad fats.....a lot of dieters dont realize you do NEED fat content but it has to be the CORRECT kind of fats avacdo's have a LOT of GOOD fats same with flax and fish...hell aside from sumo...you ever see a fat japanees guy lol....FISH...and you ever hear of an eskimo having a heart attack...FISH lol resarch omega fatty acids..good stuff
Just want to give a shout out to protein factory's custom mixes since we're on the subject of getting EFA's in the diet. You can easily and tastily (that a word?) get your good fats in your diet by making a custom mix that would be something like 60-70% aussie caseinate and EFA powder. Makes a fantastic slow digesting shake.
I like some creatine and glutamine in my mix but thats just personal preference as I don't like to supplement creatine alone.
I like some creatine and glutamine in my mix but thats just personal preference as I don't like to supplement creatine alone.
abomb555
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i'll have to look into that!
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