Need Help With Proviron!!

[tzan]

I've decided to go with the following cutter:

wks1-4 500mg test prop
wks1-14 500mg enanthate
wks1-14 600mg eq
wks12-16 60mg var

I've never ran proviron before and want to add it to the mix in this cycle. What would you guys recommend??

 

[BigRupe]

50mg's twice a day

 

[Ulter]

You don't need to go that high. 50mg/day is fine. 100mg usually means hairloss

 

[tzan]

You don't need to go that high. 50mg/day is fine. 100mg usually means hairloss

Well, I shave my head bald, so hairloss isn't really an issue for me. Like I said, I've never ran proviron before. Would it be a good idea to also run nolva or armidex with it, or do I not need it?? What benefits can I expect by adding proviron to the mix??

 

[git_er_done]

50mg a day is fine. You will see increased hardness, and a happy willy. I wouldn't run nolva or adex I would use AIFM, I have been on for a couple weeks of that stuff and I love it. Shit does work well, I have to say it has lived up to it's hype, but this is just my two cents. That cycle is almost exactly like mine except i am running tbol at the beginning and adding tren in the middle. Good luck bro...

 

[krishna]

50mg/day

 

[rykertest]

apologies in advance for this thread hijack here but I thought that proviron eliminated the need for an anti e/a???????

 

[hanibal]

50ED is fine. 75 alittle better and 100ED is sick, BUT if u are prone to hairloss i def would not go over 50ED. i like 50-75ED myself.

 

[tzan]

Thanks for the replies fellas. 50mg seems good. How long should I run it for?? Should I run it all the way through for the 16 weeks and stop when I begin my pct, or should I run it for the first 14wks and stop it when I stop the test??

 

[Ulter]

Do not use Proviron in place of an AI.

Proviron binds mainly in the brain. That's why it's an androgen that doesn't build muscle. It will increase your libido and because it binds to free test robbing Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) it allows more free test to circulate making you a happy stud.

 

[tzan]

So 50mg for 14wks or 16 wks??

 

[Ulter]

If you go that long you'll have to go up at some point. I need more at 10 weeks.

 

[tzan]

If you go that long you'll have to go up at some point. I need more at 10 weeks.

Maybe I'll wait a few weeks and run it for the last 10 weeks then:

wks1-4 50mg prop
wks1-14 500mg enanthate
wks1-14 600mg eq
wks12-16 60mg var
wks 5-14 50mg proviron

How does that look??

 

[thebrakes]

Do not use Proviron in place of an AI.

Proviron binds mainly in the brain. That's why it's an androgen that doesn't build muscle. It will increase your libido and because it binds to free test robbing Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) it allows more free test to circulate making you a happy stud.

i would LOVE to hear your pharmacologic explanation for that, because it makes approximately ZERO sense.

proviron, just like its base hormone and very close relative DHT, will bind mostly in skin and prostate tissues and have a limited effect in skeletal muscle tissue. SHBG binding and anti-estrogenic properties account for the dryness and libido promotion (and debatably the DHT similarity, as DHT is the principle promoter of erectile function)

 

[Ulter]

It's not my theory. It comes from papers published a couple years ago. I'll try to find them for you, but I won't look very long if I don't find it.
Yes, it's a DHT based formula and DHT regulates erectile function, even without test aromatization. But mesterolone is not DHT and receptors in various areas of the body are different even if they are all AR. Mesterolone binds best in the brain. Which is why it not only helps erectile function but also wildly increases libido. Two different actions btw.

 

[Ulter]

In these two studies men with clinical depression Proviron relieved their symptoms. I believe this is why they think it binds mainly in the brain. Because in the second study test levels dropped significantly and they still got happy.

Vogel W, Klaiber EL, Broverman DM: A comparison of the anti-depressant effects of a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) and am-itriptyline in depressed men. J Clin Psychiatry 1985; 46:6–8

Itil TM, Michael ST, Shapiro DM, et al: The effects of mesterolone,a male sex hormone, in depressed patients. Methods Find Exp ClinPharmacol 1984; 6:331–337