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Need Advice - Lab Results and Next Steps

socaljack

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Been a while since I posted. Could really use some good advice. I apologize for the length of this thread, but I want to give you as much info as I can to get your feedback.

STATS:
45y
6'3 235
20% BF

GOAL: Maintain bodyweight, recomp to less than 15% and improve gains in Deads, Squats, Bench. (projected 1RM's are 365, 320, 315 respectively).

EXERCISE:
I do Madcow 5x5s (M/W/F). I do 30min cardio on Tue/Thu (sprints, jump rope, speedbag/heavy bag).

DIET:
Diet is approx 40% protein, 30% Carbs, 30% Fat. 2800-3000 Cal across 5 meals. Lean meats, veggies, brown rice/quinoa/sweet potatoes, good fats (fish oil, flax, almonds, olive and Omega 3 eggs). Casein at night, hydrolized whey at dawn and a protein/Waxy Maize drink after workout.

AAS EXPERIENCE:
At 21y old I did one cycle of Cyp and another of Sus 250. I got great gains, but I did nothing for PCT (I know, I was oblivious and should not have even done it).

In January I ran a Beast/Kata cycle. I used the recommended OCT and PCT that Nelson, Radar and Needto pointed out to me. I felt like a GOD on that stack. I got damn good gains in size and strength and kept about 50% of it.

OVERALL HEALTH:

My libido is very good. I have no issues in that department. My issue seems to center on feeling "off" with little drive to be my best, to be competitive, to -- in the words of Needto --kill that shit.

Last week I saw my doc and told him I was feelin' like I was in a slump, not firing on all cylinders and wanted to know what my hormone levels were. The lab results came in today and I am embarrassed and shocked but really need to get some feedback here from you folks. The values at least confirm my suspicions. They are:

Total Test - 285 with 250--1100 ng/dL range
Free Test - 55.1 with 35--155 pg/mL range
FSH - 1.7 with 1.6--8.0 mIU/mL range
LH - 3.4 with 1.5--9.3 mIU/mL range
SHBG - 22 with 10-50 nmol/L range

So the doctor wrote a script for a low dose of Fortesta (10mg Test) only to find out my insurance wants a substitute (most likely Androgel). Doc said let's try this and reassess in 2 months. Seeing my numbers so low, and given the prescription:

1. Realizing everyone responds differently to the dosage, do you think I will get that "on" feeling from this dosage?
2. Should I bypass this primary care physician and go see either a urologist or endocrinologist and see if I can get injectable Test at a higher dosage?
3. If I grabbed another prohormone like Kata or Helladrol and stacked it with the androgel would I get some anabolic benefit or am I fooling myself into thinking the androgel will work?
4. I am up front with my wife right now, even mentioned going UGL (she freaked) but honestly I want to get back to being me and I am really itching to go behind her back, leverage the androgel as cover for a real cycle of UGL Test. If I do this, and time my checkups with my doctor, late into a PCT, might my levels still look low enough after an 8 week Test C or E blast @100-200mg/week to show me suppressed or still very low?

Guys, thanks. I know that is a shitload of info. Appreciate your input.
 
Been a while since I posted. Could really use some good advice. I apologize for the length of this thread, but I want to give you as much info as I can to get your feedback.

STATS:
45y
6'3 235
20% BF

GOAL: Maintain bodyweight, recomp to less than 15% and improve gains in Deads, Squats, Bench. (projected 1RM's are 365, 320, 315 respectively).

EXERCISE:
I do Madcow 5x5s (M/W/F). I do 30min cardio on Tue/Thu (sprints, jump rope, speedbag/heavy bag).

DIET:
Diet is approx 40% protein, 30% Carbs, 30% Fat. 2800-3000 Cal across 5 meals. Lean meats, veggies, brown rice/quinoa/sweet potatoes, good fats (fish oil, flax, almonds, olive and Omega 3 eggs). Casein at night, hydrolized whey at dawn and a protein/Waxy Maize drink after workout.

AAS EXPERIENCE:
At 21y old I did one cycle of Cyp and another of Sus 250. I got great gains, but I did nothing for PCT (I know, I was oblivious and should not have even done it).

In January I ran a Beast/Kata cycle. I used the recommended OCT and PCT that Nelson, Radar and Needto pointed out to me. I felt like a GOD on that stack. I got damn good gains in size and strength and kept about 50% of it.

OVERALL HEALTH:

My libido is very good. I have no issues in that department. My issue seems to center on feeling "off" with little drive to be my best, to be competitive, to -- in the words of Needto --kill that shit.

Last week I saw my doc and told him I was feelin' like I was in a slump, not firing on all cylinders and wanted to know what my hormone levels were. The lab results came in today and I am embarrassed and shocked but really need to get some feedback here from you folks. The values at least confirm my suspicions. They are:

Total Test - 285 with 250--1100 ng/dL range
Free Test - 55.1 with 35--155 pg/mL range
FSH - 1.7 with 1.6--8.0 mIU/mL range
LH - 3.4 with 1.5--9.3 mIU/mL range
SHBG - 22 with 10-50 nmol/L range

So the doctor wrote a script for a low dose of Fortesta (10mg Test) only to find out my insurance wants a substitute (most likely Androgel). Doc said let's try this and reassess in 2 months. Seeing my numbers so low, and given the prescription:

1. Realizing everyone responds differently to the dosage, do you think I will get that "on" feeling from this dosage?
2. Should I bypass this primary care physician and go see either a urologist or endocrinologist and see if I can get injectable Test at a higher dosage?
3. If I grabbed another prohormone like Kata or Helladrol and stacked it with the androgel would I get some anabolic benefit or am I fooling myself into thinking the androgel will work?
4. I am up front with my wife right now, even mentioned going UGL (she freaked) but honestly I want to get back to being me and I am really itching to go behind her back, leverage the androgel as cover for a real cycle of UGL Test. If I do this, and time my checkups with my doctor, late into a PCT, might my levels still look low enough after an 8 week Test C or E blast @100-200mg/week to show me suppressed or still very low?

Guys, thanks. I know that is a shitload of info. Appreciate your input.

I think you should give me a chance to get you feeling better as well as get the test looking better naturally without the use of anything but OTC products that is what I think..

I am looking at your test and clearly you are recovering my friend. You have every chance in the world to completely recover and feel great naturally first before going into your next cycle..

You start taking that shit from the doc and its over from there you are on it for life.. I think I remember speaking to you on the phone already though.
 
Hey Needto! We haven't spoken on the phone but I sure would like to. Kinda freaked out here. I will hold off until we do sync up. Can you give me a PM? Thanks!
 
listen to needto on this..

your LH looks good. your FSH does not. i think you should hold off on TRT for another 10 years or so. i don't plan on going on till my 50's myself.

i think a bottle of hcgenerate will blow away androgel and it won't suppress you.. androgel WILL!
 
Heya Steve. I took HCGenerate for OCT and finished the bottle into PCT. but that was a few months ago. Are you suggesting a maintenance dose of it?

Thanks!
 
^^ yup. you have only been off cycle for a short amount of time and at your age it will take longer to recover.

how plump are your nuts?
 
I finished my cycle of beast/kata on Jan 13 (I ran a log here on EF). 12+ wks later and my numbers are so low... I didn't do precycle bloodwork and that would have really helped to baseline.
 
SoCal...heed the advice of these two...you will be fine, you are in VERY good hands my friend!

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Fair enough. Needto, l will place an order. Thanks gang.

Good decision brother! Another great product that I take personally is Unleashed...I usually get the two pack to always have on hand as it sells out frequently...it will have your boys pumping! The wife loves the effects too :D

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