Need Advice, 1th Cycle

[starsky668]

My first cycle:

1- Age - 23
2- Lifting History - 4 years
3- Weight 175 lbs -> have had 195 lbs
4- Height - 5' 8.9"
5- Estimated BF - 13-14%
6- Diet , well im on a anabolic(ketogenic) diet for 2 months, low carb per day , means 30 g of carbo per day etc... (5 days with low carb, and 2 days for recovery )
7- Goals are to gain some quality muscles/low water retention.

Cycle: i have done a lot of reading and still doing and i think for begining i should use sustanon 250:

1-4 w 250 mg
5-6 w 500 mg
7-8 w 250 mg

i dont want fast gains, 15 lbs will be fine, if i will manage to keep them after All i want is lower side effects . Do i need nolvadex along with this cycle? About the pct, how long should it last 14-21 days after last injection ? and should i use clomid with Proviron?

My second alternative is Primobolan Depot from Turkey. i saw that u can make a stack between primo and sus250.

So any advice will be apreciated negative or possitive, thx
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Nolvadex 10 mg + 50 mg proviron per day in the cycle

 

[EX1855]

Sus was my first cycle and I am very happy it was, talk about feeling great and actually the gains for me at least, were very quick and very noticeable

 

[Ulter]

Do not pyramid.
Use 500mg the whole way through.
Use AIFM as your anti-estrogen and use it during PCT with your Clomid/Proviron.

 

[gimp]

I would shoot 1cc of Sustanon every 3rd or 4th day. for 10 weeks

no need for nolvadex while on cycle, but, if you start to get sensitive nips..start taking 20mg eod for the remainder of the cycle.

For pct..I dunno, I never do any. LOL!

Just some advice on your diet, if you have been on it for two months and you are goin on cycle, think about changing up your diet, because after two months, your body has likely adjusted to it . You wanna shock your body on a cycle.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Do not pyramid.
Use 500mg the whole way through.
Use AIFM as your anti-estrogen and use it during PCT with your Clomid/Proviron.

agree

 

[Bruce]

do not pyramid bro, keep blood levels stable. the above advice is all very solid. peace and good luck to you. get down to single digi bf and post up pics brotha

 

[dsh89]

Yup you do not want to pyramid, it is not neccessary. Just run 1 cc every 4 days for 8 to 10 weeks and you will be happy with the results.

 

[starsky668]

Ok, i will go with 500 mg per week(500 mg for 4 days its to much for a first cycle) i want to see how the body reacts to sus250, should i split the 500 mg in 2 shoots? like monday 250 mg , tuesday another 250 mg or just one shoot on monday for 500 mg?

To bad i dont have AIFM on hand for this cycle i will order it for the next cycle. So for the PCT what dosage of clomid/provirion should i use? And for how long? I want to have a good PCT

Thx for all your answers so far

 

[Silent Method]

6- Diet , well im on a anabolic(ketogenic) diet for 2 months,

Ketogenic does not imply anabolism.

 

[solidspine]

Just do the test at 500mg per week

Weeks 1-8

Primo would be REAL nice, perfect for a first cycle,

Yes you need nolvadex, take it every day or every other day as an anti E.

Or you need some kind of anti-e, if not nolvadex, liquidex, something,



And PCT

Clomid and HCG should work fine.

But Sust and Primo are an excellent choice.

 

[Ulter]

Ok, i will go with 500 mg per week(500 mg for 4 days its to much for a first cycle) i want to see how the body reacts to sus250, should i split the 500 mg in 2 shoots? like monday 250 mg , tuesday another 250 mg or just one shoot on monday for 500 mg?

To bad i dont have AIFM on hand for this cycle i will order it for the next cycle. So for the PCT what dosage of clomid/provirion should i use? And for how long? I want to have a good PCT

Thx for all your answers so far

No. You don't shoot by the day of the week. For the same reasons, and more, that you don't taper, you should shoot every so many days. Either shoot every 4 or every 5 days depending on how high of blood levels you want of your test. In your case 250mg every 4 days would be right.

 

[krishna]

If you want to start out at an effectively low dose, I would run 375mg/wk for 10 weeks. On my first cycle, I did 250 a week and gained 28lbs.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

If you want to start out at an effectively low dose, I would run 375mg/wk for 10 weeks. On my first cycle, I did 250 a week and gained 28lbs.

impressive, though IMO out of the ordinary

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

personally i would run a single type of test...to see how that reacts with youur body..then move on to sust for a later cycle...i would run test e or test cyp because if it is your first cycle...you dont have to inject to much...when i run test i will run test prop. Best way to keep blood levels stable but you need to inject ed or eod...good luck bud

 

[krishna]

impressive, though IMO out of the ordinary

Well I was eating 5000+ calories, and I got pretty bloated too.

 

[pitbullrocco]

kinda what i was thinking.....you most likely DO NOT want to be on a ketogenic diet while on....research diet bro

Ketogenic does not imply anabolism.

 

[starsky668]

kinda what i was thinking.....you most likely DO NOT want to be on a ketogenic diet while on....research diet bro

i know that. Ofcourse i will change the diet according to the cycle . I didnt got a good answer for the PCT, i mean in dosages clomid/provirion and how much should it last.
Something like this: 300mg clomid day 1 , days 2-11 100mg/day, days 12-21 50mg a day? + 25 mg provirion 1->20 days ?

thx

 

[starsky668]

ok, done more reading and got to this conclusion:
250mg sus250 every 4 days for 8 weeks/56 days
500 iu hcg every 5 days for 8 weeks/56 days

Will start the PCT at day 72, after 19 days from last shoot (according to PCT calculator):
I will use only nolva: 40 mg for week 1 and 20 mg for another 2 weeks
In case in the cycle time gyno efect will strike should i take 20 mg per day till the efect is gone?
Is this better?

Can u mix the hcg and sus250 in the same syringe, to do bouth in one shoot? I saw that hcg is an sub-q injection and sus250 IM. So can anyone help me out with this dilema?

 

[digimon7068]

Actually, 15lbs (of quality muscle) is quite a bit to ask from an 8-weeker.

 

[starsky668]

im back again , have 187.4 lbs in the day time, 5 weeks passed, im going to extend the cycle to 10 weeks. Aifm is doing a good job so far -2 pumps a day, used even 3 pumps a day for a couple of days. The bf% increased a little, around the belly, but no worry winter is comeing. And no more pain after injections, i mean it still is a little but nothing special, i even did squats after a shoot, no problem what so ever.