Need a push in the right direction

[Phiba Optik]

Hey so I posted a thread a while back about possibly going for my first cycle if I could manage to get my hands on some stuff. Well a connect came around and I got a few vials of test-e (250mg/ml) and some clomid. Here is my attempt at setting up my first cycle:

Should I do
Week 1-6 250mg a week
Week 6-12 500mg a week
**Week 14-16 PCT With Clomid (I can modify this and other things)

Or should I stick to 500mg a week for my whole cycle?

**Second thing is that I am wondering how much clomid I should take? I have capsules that are 50mg per cap and I cannot split them.

Lastly, should I add anything else to my PCT or my cycle (like dbol, drol, var). Listing The dosages would help if you all don't mind.


And my stats are:
23 years old
6'2
205lbs
14-16% bf

Been training for a good long time and have diet in check as well as supplementation. Any input would help!

EDIT: Would I need an A/I? I was thinking maybe letro and or aromasin?

 

[kc17]

Hey so I posted a thread a while back about possibly going for my first cycle if I could manage to get my hands on some stuff. Well a connect came around and I got a few vials of test-e (250mg/ml) and some clomid. Here is my attempt at setting up my first cycle:

Should I do
Week 1-6 250mg a week
Week 6-12 500mg a week
**Week 14-16 PCT With Clomid (I can modify this and other things)

Or should I stick to 500mg a week for my whole cycle?

**Second thing is that I am wondering how much clomid I should take? I have capsules that are 50mg per cap and I cannot split them.

Lastly, should I add anything else to my PCT or my cycle (like dbol, drol, var). Listing The dosages would help if you all don't mind.


And my stats are:
23 years old
6'2
205lbs
14-16% bf

Been training for a good long time and have diet in check as well as supplementation. Any input would help!

EDIT: Would I need an A/I? I was thinking maybe letro and or aromasin?

do 500mg for the whole cycle.

 

[Phiba Optik]

do 500mg for the whole cycle.

Any reason for that?
You don't think it will be too much for my first cycle?

 

[-SD-]

Any reason for that?
You don't think it will be too much for my first cycle?

test is pretty safe on its own, and youre already 205 so 500mg isnt that big of a dose as a stand alone cycle

 

[burnthiscorpse]

250 or 375 is plenty for a first cycle.


You said the famous "diet is in check" phrase. Post up an average daily example. I'd be willing to bet its not as in check as you think.

 

[kc17]

Any reason for that?
You don't think it will be too much for my first cycle?

500mg is the normal and its what I'd recommend , with 250mg you wont get the same strenght gains. and test is pretty safe .

 

[Phiba Optik]

Can anyone chime in on the PCT and whether I should add anything else?

 

[jcmbbfuture]

250 or 375 is plenty for a first cycle.


You said the famous "diet is in check" phrase. Post up an average daily example. I'd be willing to bet its not as in check as you think.

Listen to burn. 250 is plenty for a first run. Especially with proper training and diet. Put your focus on those two things and throw in 250mg of test and u will grow!

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[RADAR]

here's my 2 cents ,i ran 250 the first time after week 8 i increased it to 500mgs and the diffeence was like night and day, If you take into consideration the weight of the Ester (enanth, Cyp) you actually have about 385mgs of test in a 500mg dose.
This will vary due to the different labs tho.

 

[RADAR]

BTW this is a good write up on steroids and esters



http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/steroids-esters-686671.html

 

[Phiba Optik]

here's my 2 cents ,i ran 250 the first time after week 8 i increased it to 500mgs and the diffeence was like night and day, If you take into consideration the weight of the Ester (enanth, Cyp) you actually have about 385mgs of test in a 500mg dose.
This will vary due to the different labs tho.

Thanks for the info Radar. What I am still contemplating is, since the difference is night and day, should I do Week 1-6 at 250 then the next 6 weeks jump to 500? (Or the opposite of that?)or would you think 500 is fine all the way? And also, what do you recommend for PCT (I have clomid, but they are capsules and they are 50mg a cap and I cannot split them)? I want to have everything on hand and ready BEFORE I start my cycle (I know a lot of idiots post on here that are mid cycle or worst, almost done and then ask about PCT)!

 

[RADAR]

Thanks for the info Radar. What I am still contemplating is, since the difference is night and day, should I do Week 1-6 at 250 then the next 6 weeks jump to 500? (Or the opposite of that?)or would you think 500 is fine all the way? And also, what do you recommend for PCT (I have clomid, but they are capsules and they are 50mg a cap and I cannot split them)? I want to have everything on hand and ready BEFORE I start my cycle (I know a lot of idiots post on here that are mid cycle or worst, almost done and then ask about PCT)!

Personally 500mgs a wk isn't too much i would up it now, be sure to have adex on hand tho if you're prone to sides.

PCT you could run a low dose of clomid, Split the powder in the caps
You need a post cycle and unleashed then you're golden.

 

[Phiba Optik]

Personally 500mgs a wk isn't too much i would up it now, be sure to have adex on hand tho if you're prone to sides.

PCT you could run a low dose of clomid, Split the powder in the caps
You need a post cycle and unleashed then you're golden.

The Post Cycle/Unleashed combo is Out of Stock....so any other recommendations?

Also, I've read mixed reviews as far as clomid dosages do. I've read some people used 100-300mg the first day and then tapered down! I've also read that some people used 50/50/25/25 and even 50/50/50/50... So I'm just confused on that.

And lastly, should I add liquidex (LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL) and/or HCG (not HCGenerate)?

 

[Nelson Montana]

The Post Cycle/Unleashed combo is Out of Stock....so any other recommendations?

Also, I've read mixed reviews as far as clomid dosages do. I've read some people used 100-300mg the first day and then tapered down! I've also read that some people used 50/50/25/25 and even 50/50/50/50... So I'm just confused on that.

And lastly, should I add liquidex (LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL) and/or HCG (not HCGenerate)?

If it;s out of stock, find it elsewhere, or wait until it's back in. There is no substitute.

 

[Phiba Optik]

Thanks Nelson, I'll see if I can find it.

Also does anyone want to help out with this:

"Also, I've read mixed reviews as far as clomid dosages do. I've read some people used 100-300mg the first day and then tapered down! I've also read that some people used 50/50/25/25 and even 50/50/50/50... So I'm just confused on that.

And lastly, should I add liquidex (LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL) and/or HCG (not HCGenerate)?"

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks Nelson, I'll see if I can find it.

Also does anyone want to help out with this:

"Also, I've read mixed reviews as far as clomid dosages do. I've read some people used 100-300mg the first day and then tapered down! I've also read that some people used 50/50/25/25 and even 50/50/50/50... So I'm just confused on that.

And lastly, should I add liquidex (LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL) and/or HCG (not HCGenerate)?"

bro i would never go over 50 mg on clomid... honestly i do it this way 25/12.5/12.5/12.5... you dont need much whrn using unleashed and post cycle... it will be back in stock in a week or two so be looking for it... trust me... you dont want to be dosing clomid too high...

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[oxymoron]

Phiba, you kept coming back to this taper up thing, so to explain, you don't want to run a cycle like enth at 250mg and then just switch to 500mg because it's going to take a few weeks for you start seeing physiological effects and results from the test and it just increases from there so you're basically cheating yourself out of 250mg for a large portion of your cycle and the 250mg is going to shut you down regardless so the tapering is pointless. If you read some dosing info from a long ass time ago, they tapered steroid doses but that is super old school and pointless with most compounds. I'm super exhausted and not thinking straight but hopefully that made sense...

 

[Phiba Optik]

Phiba, you kept coming back to this taper up thing, so to explain, you don't want to run a cycle like enth at 250mg and then just switch to 500mg because it's going to take a few weeks for you start seeing physiological effects and results from the test and it just increases from there so you're basically cheating yourself out of 250mg for a large portion of your cycle and the 250mg is going to shut you down regardless so the tapering is pointless. If you read some dosing info from a long ass time ago, they tapered steroid doses but that is super old school and pointless with most compounds. I'm super exhausted and not thinking straight but hopefully that made sense...

I appreciate the input! So from that I guess the choices are:
Weeks 1-12 500mg a week (250x2)
or
Weeks 1-12 250mg a week

And even on that, I've gotten mixed answers as to which I should go with.

 

[oxymoron]

I appreciate the input! So from that I guess the choices are:
Weeks 1-12 500mg a week (250x2)
or
Weeks 1-12 250mg a week

And even on that, I've gotten mixed answers as to which I should go with.

Orrrr you do 1.5ml/wk, 375mg lol. Meet in the middle, everybody wins And to be honest that's what i'd do, a good first cycle dose. You'll make some great gains!

And don't forget what BTC said, post ur diet. That will make or break this for you.

 

[dylangemelli]

i know this, your going to get a different opinion all over the board on this because there's going to be a ton of guys who did great on 250 and a ton who did great on 500 and vice versa... So you need to stop overthinking and make up your mind with it... Meeting in the middle, like oxy said, may be the best idea for you... Me, I don't pussy foot around with it... I don't exceed limitations on what your supposed to to do but if I'm going to run it, I'm going to run the fucker to get the most out of it... Im going anywhere between 375 and 500.... Probably going with the 500...

 

[RADAR]

Ahem! this ^^^^

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Run whatever your gonna run bro, but seriously...post up your split and diet. Your training and diet are going to make or break you and be the difference between massive gains and gains that make you go ....meh....


Another small piece of advice....if you need a major workout overhaul....give yourself a couple weeks to get into it before starting the cycle so your not overly sore all the time while "on" .