i kinda agree with ninja. It all depends, you have to want to get big, and be really pumped to find your limit. I remembered my limit was only 175, and couldn't reach it again after that, cause the motivation wasn't there, unless I did juice, now I'm passed it. I couldn't get back up to max cause I wasn't as psych about it like before. SO if you are natural and really want to get big and are not gaining anything after a month or two, and have been changing your routine I say your maxxed