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armo72

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OK so I've been doing sauce off and on for about 9 years. My last cycle was pretty long:

750mg test
500mg deca
(about 4 months)
45mg winny for last month
PCT:
500 HCG ed for 7 days (2 weeks after last shot)
50mg clomid ed 3 weeks (3 weeks after last shot)

Got my blood test done 2.5 months after last shot and had a test level of 61! Everything else looked normal besides high RBC. I crashed really hard on this one bros. Got a bacterial infection 9 weeks after last shot (1 week before blood test). Still don't feel 100% energy down bla bla bla.

As soon as I was told of the low test (scared shittless)I went home to start my next cycle:

1-15 750 mg test
1-15 800mg EQ
1-4 100mg prop eod
1-4 50mg drol/day (with 10mg nolvadex)
13-15 45 mg winny

I am now in week 2.

So I obviously really fucked up some where along the line. If a vet can offer some insight, suggestions etc I would really appreciate it.
 
Apparently your PCT did not compare to the length of your cycle,

Your problem will be solved (test problem) when you are about one week into your new cycle,

You know well enough how you possibly developed an infection.

But don’t worry about low test levels after a cycle like you just did, if you were going to be off I would recommend PCT over again, but your cycle looks fine and will more than compensate for your natural test suppression.
 
thanks solid,

Yeah I figured the bacterial infection was due to the fact that I crashed and my immune system was weak.

I agree with the fact that my PCT wasn't as strong as the length of my cycle but I've never crashed this hard even with no PCT!

Thing is I don't want to permanently damage my natty test production. Do you think if I were to stay off my test would evently come up to a normal value and how long would this take?

Need some help here bros
 
I don't get it. Your natty test is low so you go on a heavy cycle.

What's your question?
 
May as well HRT it.. cause doesnt seem like you cared about fixing your natural leves, just wanted to feel better..
 
Yeah, my natty test is low so I went back on a heavy cycle. I know this is only going to be a short term fix but this is what I did.

I am, however very concerned. Doc offered to put me on HRT but this would be administered by him and with my job I can't commit to appointments. I would also like to start a family in a few years so I don't want to be a HRT lifer at 34.

The reason for going back on is obvious. Felt like absolute shit and the 61 scared me. Better off going back on for now and figuring it out later was my reasoning or lack there of...please hold the flaming.

Anthony, I just recently read your book and respect your contriversial yet interesting views. Wasn't much in there on dealing with a situation like mine. I understand you hate clomid, maybe this was the problem? What do you recommend I do the next time around?
 
Is it legal for me to suggest Dermacrine Sustain....?

Id ship you a free bottle if your willing to drop the AAS, get a blood test done after 6 weeks, and post your results...

-Pp
 
Thanks PP this is a very gracious offer. I will finish my cycle but the fact that my last PCT sucked and you are so confident in your product I am very tempted to just buy a couple of bottles for my next PCT.
 
Well, the fact that you started a new cycle is just going to supress you more.

34 is young to go on HRT.

In the meantime, I'd suggest this.

Do another course of HCG, but you really only need 500iu's a day for a few days. More than that is overkill.

Hate clomid, but if it worked for you, go for it. Some people say a-dex isn't good for recovery but I disagree. 1/2 mg a day for one week then 1/2 mg EOD for another week.

Proviron may get you over the hump but it's still supressive so use it for only a week or two.

Gotta recomend some supps here. If you don't want to use the Protein Factory brand you can track down the ingredients and buy them seperately.

"Unleashed" to increase "free" T. And "Post Cycle" to help with e, liver detox and libido. Also good is "MyogenX" to increase LH. If you want to add another natural supp that works for you, fine. But do not use Tribulus. Do not use saw palmetto, or vitex either. They're all anti androgen.

Eat lots of whole eggs and red meat. Sleep as much as possible.

Expect to feel lousy for a month but after that it should start to kick in. After 4-6 months you'll know where you are. Yeah, it sucks, but the only other alternative is HRT. You won't have to go back to the doc for injections, just a new script every 3 months. And I'd still recommend the supps along with the HRT.

This isn't medical advice, only one suggestion. Other opinions may differ slightly or be able to add another recomendation, but be careful.

Feel better bro.
 
why is it that every thread these days turns into a fucking dermacrine push? i know, i'm gonna get flamed, yeh yeh.
 
mattrich said:
why is it that every thread these days turns into a fucking dermacrine push? i know, i'm gonna get flamed, yeh yeh.
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No need for flames…

The times I mention any product of ours is when I believe it can truly help the situation. In this case I have confidence that our new version Sustain would help this guy.

Besides, if it wasn’t a derma push, it would have been a standard clomid/hCG push, or an AI push, or an HRT push, ect. The bottom line is that I gave my suggestion based on what I personally would do and offered the bottle for FREE. (incase you didnt notice)

-Pp
 
Thanks Nelson and PP for the informative responses. I think I am going to throw in some HCG mid-cycle proviron end cycle. PCT will not include clomid this time around because it obviously didn't do shit for me (although first time using it). I think PCT will be HCG and possibly Derma then a good four months off to sort this shit out and really figure out where I'm at. I'm going to definitely try those supps during the off time.

Q: With a HRT dose will It be hard to get the wife pregnant?

Q: Will the addition of something like Derma keep my natty test at a "normal" value while on?
 
armo72 said:
Thanks Nelson and PP for the informative responses. I think I am going to throw in some HCG mid-cycle proviron end cycle. PCT will not include clomid this time around because it obviously didn't do shit for me (although first time using it). I think PCT will be HCG and possibly Derma then a good four months off to sort this shit out and really figure out where I'm at. I'm going to definitely try those supps during the off time.

Q: With a HRT dose will It be hard to get the wife pregnant?

Q: Will the addition of something like Derma keep my natty test at a "normal" value while on?
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Yep, the new derma Sustain would be the way to go.

If you have insurance you may want to get them to cover an endocrinologist for you and have him prescribe you a little HMG (FSH) with your HCG. Id definitely run those two together during your HRT to prevent anymore testicular shrinkage.

If you willing to get off the HRT and take my derma sustain challenge that always an option…

-Pp
 
Remember some HRT/TRT patients stay on for YEARS and are usually able to get very respectful test levels within 12-18 months of staying clean.....Recovery is almost always an option.
 
You know what, I have not noticed ANY testicular shrinkage. Its the same size as it was when I was 18 and doesn't change much if any while on...except when I have a cold shower "significant shrinkage Jerry!"

I've heard mixed reveiws on HMG although it looks good on paper.
 
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