n00bie here - Planned cycle, advice please.

[617ricky]

Where'd you get that '250iu 2x/wk' number? I've been away from the game for a while, so I'm not 100% positive, but I'd use more.

The sticky at the top - "The New Post Cycle Therapy 2008".. It has this info, and I did a little other reading on other sites, and apparently the 250iu dose is all a healthy male would need to keep his systems up.. In the past they've proposed higher doses, but these were apparently based on guys that weren't healthy in that aspect to begin with. Here's what is says:

The biggest component of a fast recovery is keeping the testes active during the cycle. This is accomplished by taking hcg during cycle, not after like many people think. On cycle hcg forces your testes to continue to produce testosterone as they normally would. The trick with on-cycle-hcg use is to avoid using too much, too frequently (which can desensitize your testes). It’s important to use just enough to stimulate the testes to produce the same amount of testosterone they normally would.

For on-cycle-hcg, I recommend 250 iu’s of hcg taken twice a week from the start of your 3rd week of the cycle until two weeks before the steroids or pro-hormones clear your system (be sure to check the half lives and clearance time of the Steroids / Pro-Hormones you use as these widely vary).

 

[azul]

The sticky at the top - "The New Post Cycle Therapy 2008".. It has this info, and I did a little other reading on other sites, and apparently the 250iu dose is all a healthy male would need to keep his systems up.. In the past they've proposed higher doses, but these were apparently based on guys that weren't healthy in that aspect to begin with. Here's what is says:

The biggest component of a fast recovery is keeping the testes active during the cycle. This is accomplished by taking hcg during cycle, not after like many people think. On cycle hcg forces your testes to continue to produce testosterone as they normally would. The trick with on-cycle-hcg use is to avoid using too much, too frequently (which can desensitize your testes). It’s important to use just enough to stimulate the testes to produce the same amount of testosterone they normally would.

For on-cycle-hcg, I recommend 250 iu’s of hcg taken twice a week from the start of your 3rd week of the cycle until two weeks before the steroids or pro-hormones clear your system (be sure to check the half lives and clearance time of the Steroids / Pro-Hormones you use as these widely vary).

Well, some things I agree with... makes sense to take low doses during the cycle... I myself would take a bit after as well, but well, it's not an exact science. Other things I don't agree with, but that's all I'll say.

 

[617ricky]

I appreciate the input. I will go with 1/4mg of arimidex and see if that's enough. I'll probably also only take 25mg clomid/day at the end of the cycle too, seeing as I'll be on hcg the whole time, and I'll also take 1/4mg of the arimidex a day too.. So if I am on the hcg the entire time, and I can theoretically prevent "shut down" - how long should I run the clomid and arimidex for after the cycle - 4 wks sound right?

 

[azul]

I appreciate the input. I will go with 1/4mg of arimidex and see if that's enough. I'll probably also only take 25mg clomid/day at the end of the cycle too, seeing as I'll be on hcg the whole time, and I'll also take 1/4mg of the arimidex a day too.. So if I am on the hcg the entire time, and I can theoretically prevent "shut down" - how long should I run the clomid and arimidex for after the cycle - 4 wks sound right?

Anywhere from 4-6 weeks. 4 weeks is good, but if you feel you need more, go for it. I'd actually move up to 0.5mg arimidex per day for PCT.

 

[617ricky]

Would I be better off condensing the cycle from 10wks to say - 8 wks? I just wanna try the tren, but I heard that you gotta run test w/ it or else you're asking for problems..

What would you recommend for a mild tren/test cycle? Is the 500mg/wk test and 50mg/day tren right? Any input on how long I should run the tren for, and how I should work it in w/ the test? You said to run the tren/test together 1st, and then just the test after - is that best you think?

 

[joe d]

6 months. thats no good. i bet your diet and training are not up to par. i also bet you will hurt yourself on this cycle. put some size on first learn how to grow and keep muscle for a few years or so first. not trying to sound like an ass just my honest opinion. good luck

 

[617ricky]

I totally hear what you're saying - but by 6 months, I don't just mean ONLY 6 months of training.. Like I said, I did a cycle about 4 yrs ago, and did end up losing probably 2/3 of my total weight-gain over the next couple yrs, but I still kept my basic form, and worked out occasionally.. So for the past few months, I've been training hard and eating right, and I'm already up 15 lbs. In another few months, I'll be up another 10-15 lbs with the way I've been eating/training - and that will be where I was at the end of my last cycle, weight/strength-wise.. For me personally, it's gonna be a good time to do a cycle, nothing crazy - but I definitely wanna do it.. And I'll be in a much better position than where I was with my last cycle, where I basically just dove into it, with very little training beforehand.. I'm definitely not a n00b to lifting or cycles in general, ya kno.

 

[azul]

Would I be better off condensing the cycle from 10wks to say - 8 wks? I just wanna try the tren, but I heard that you gotta run test w/ it or else you're asking for problems..

What would you recommend for a mild tren/test cycle? Is the 500mg/wk test and 50mg/day tren right? Any input on how long I should run the tren for, and how I should work it in w/ the test? You said to run the tren/test together 1st, and then just the test after - is that best you think?

10 weeks is fine. Keep in mind it'll take a couple of weeks for the test to kick in. If you really wanna do tren, why not try some test prop? Do tren/prop EOD or so... it'll kick in faster and leave your system faster. Then you can even reduce the cycle to 8 weeks.

I'd do some prop for 4 weeks, then throw some tren in for another 4 or so weeks with the test. It's always nice to see how compounds work purely by themselves and then see what adding another compound can do. And bro, you ever do ED injections? Shit, I hate sticking myself even once a week... keep it to every 2nd day or you'll be taking all the fun out of it... unless you enjoy needles, that is.

 

[617ricky]

10 weeks is fine. Keep in mind it'll take a couple of weeks for the test to kick in. If you really wanna do tren, why not try some test prop? Do tren/prop EOD or so... it'll kick in faster and leave your system faster. Then you can even reduce the cycle to 8 weeks.

I'd do some prop for 4 weeks, then throw some tren in for another 4 or so weeks with the test. It's always nice to see how compounds work purely by themselves and then see what adding another compound can do. And bro, you ever do ED injections? Shit, I hate sticking myself even once a week... keep it to every 2nd day or you'll be taking all the fun out of it... unless you enjoy needles, that is.

lol well I don't enjoy needles, but I don't mind them too much.. Now my original thought was just a tren only cycle, but I read info saying that it's no good, so I decided I gotta throw some test in.. So you think prop is a better idea?

Now I plan on getting 2000mg of fina, which comes out to 40 days (~6wks) worth. Is that too long to run tren for? What is the normal tren cycle length? Is 6 wks too much? I could do 5 wks I guess, but I'd have to up the dose a little.. 50-60mg/day tren - that's not too high of a dose right?

 

[azul]

lol well I don't enjoy needles, but I don't mind them too much.. Now my original thought was just a tren only cycle, but I read info saying that it's no good, so I decided I gotta throw some test in.. So you think prop is a better idea?

Now I plan on getting 2000mg of fina, which comes out to 40 days (~6wks) worth. Is that too long to run tren for? What is the normal tren cycle length? Is 6 wks too much? I could do 5 wks I guess, but I'd have to up the dose a little.. 50-60mg/day tren - that's not too high of a dose right?

Lemme tell you something... there's no such thing as a normal XXX cycle length.

You do what you wanna do. Some people cycle for 3 months, some people prefer 4-8 weeks. I think that for tren and prop, 6-8 weeks is fine. It's entirely up to you.

I wouldn't do tren alone because my penis literally stops working and becomes smaller, but that's the only bad side-effect. The other side-effect is sleeping less, but I actually love that one because I can sleep for 6-7 hours on tren but still feel great. But everybody gets different side-effects, so that's something you gotta figure out for yourself.

I recommended doing some prop alone and throwing in tren after 4 weeks because then you'll know what does what. If you feel a certain way for 4 weeks of doing prop, and then throw in some tren and feel another way, you'll know it was the tren. If you start both at the same time, you'll never know what's doing what. But then again, that's just my philosophy.

Nothing we do here is an exact science. Research a lot and think for yourself. If I say 20, and somebody else says 10, you can safely assume that a number inbetween 10 and 20 (15) is pretty safe.